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Reposted from c/politics since it violated their rule about needing to have a link:

Now that the fascists have taken over, what books, academic studies, and pieces of knowledge should take priority in personal/private archival? I'm thinking about what happened in Nazi Germany, especially with the burning of the Institute for Sexual Science(Institut für Sexualwissenschaft) and what was lost completely in the burnings.

Some of us should consider saving stuff digitally or physically. Redundancies will help preserve stuff.

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[–] arin@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago

Archive their heads like how the French did it. Guillotine is in the history for a reason

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 11 points 1 day ago

Apparently porn based on all the bans in the south.

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Honestly, everything. Any TV show, movie, documentary, book, or hell even porn that could be deemed as valuable or important in any way as I could see any one of these things becoming outlawed with such a regime. Hell, Canada's new prime minister (99% chance to win in the next election apparently) is going to try for putting porn behind digital IDs (despite claiming to be against digital IDs before if I remember correctly) which is just going to be a privacy nightmare unfortunately, I'm already having to stockpile porn because of this ridiculous bullshit. We are truly in a doomed timeline.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

$ changed his mind, just like musky boi. all of a sudden he's a bible thumper? fuck outta here,he's expanding the grift.

and apparently the bible thumpers like rape, sexual assault, child molestation enough to elect a racist 34x felon who has done all of the above. blows my damn mind.

[–] dsilverz@thelemmy.club 6 points 1 day ago

There was a similar question at another community. I'll verbatim my reply:

As a syncretic Luciferian currently, I’d say esoteric and occult books/grimoires as well. Everything that’s deemed “demonic” by christianity should be safely archived.

There are many, many authors and books that hold importance for esoteric and occult studies and practices.

An example that comes to mind are the books written by Anton LaVey, especially the The Satanic Bible. As he was american, so are his books’ first copies from, so a greater risk of those copies being seized or something.

While this risk wouldn’t be the same for all corpora written by Aleister Crowley, as he was English so the first copies aren’t at american soil (if I guessed correctly), I’m not sure how far a christotyrannical regime would go for “serving God’s will”.

So, in summary, I’d say everything should be archived. Both physically and digitally. It’s worth mentioning how Internet Archive is being attacked: the Internet Archive holds many digital copies of important esoteric and occult knowledge as well. If Internet Archive goes permanently down, it’d ripple to other sites such as sacred-texts.

[–] simple@lemm.ee 114 points 2 days ago (4 children)

If you'd like to support archival in general, consider donating to https://archive.org/ . They regularly archive books and media that can be potentially banned. It doesn't hurt to download parts of the archive on your machine if you want to be extra sure, but keep in mind the internet archive is massive with petabytes of data.

[–] hollyberries@programming.dev 93 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Archive is on American soil. They got sued for lending ebooks during the pandemic and lost, so they are not a safe bet. Archive elsewhere. Anywhere else.

[–] olsonexi@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why can't humanity seem to learn that storing all of our knowledge and cultural artifacts in just one place with no backup is a BAD IDEA? Don't let the library of Alexandria burn again!

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

I'm pretty sure that they do but this is a problem of and resources, which they are strapped for

[–] BonerMan@ani.social 31 points 2 days ago (3 children)

They really should relocate to Europe.

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

How, exactly?

They should sure, who's coughing up the tens of millions of dollars that might cost?

If they don't have the resources to do it, they can't.

Distributed filesystems that self hosters can support may be the future for resilient data, but we're not really there yet in a scalable way.

[–] BonerMan@ani.social 1 points 17 hours ago

Get a server in Romania for example, built up the necessary system and then either take the drives on a plane or transmit the data by internet.

The problem isn't the money, they would pay less in Eastern European countries. The problem is the time it takes to transmit the data.

It would be best to load the entire NAS farm piece by piece into a plane and fly it there.

A Charter Plane and some trucks aren't that expansive, and when you keep most of the hardware you don't need to pay for massive amounts of new hardware.

The problem is that its time consuming and that the Archive will be offline for at least half a year. For doing that.

If they wanna do it really smart they keep some smaller servers all around the world and don't do it from one country alone.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 27 points 2 days ago (13 children)

Fuck, are we really becoming the last beacon of freedom and liberty?

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[–] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Depebding on the country, Europe has significantly worse copyright law than the US, to the extent that archiving a web page is illegal.

Fun fact:

In Germany you have to pay a special tax for anything that could be used to violate copyright. It ranges from 0.10€ for USB sticks to 90€ for faster printers to 14,000,000€ for opening up a public library - all going to a bunch of publisher organizations.

[–] BonerMan@ani.social 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What the fuck are you talking about?

The shit show Germany has is well aware to me but also grants you the right to download whatever you want as long as you don't distribute it.

[–] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

And an archive would be doing exactly that: Distributing copyrighted materials.

Moving to Europe is not necessarily a great idea depending on the country they choose. US copyright law is comparatively lenient to some European countries, who can be said to be (much more) controlled by publishers when it comes to copyright.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 34 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Shit, now I'm doubly worried about Archive staying online.

[–] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 37 points 2 days ago (1 children)

As @hollyberries pointed out, archive's servers are on American soil, if there's a federal ban on improper("fake") knowledge, their assets could easily be seized. No laws would have to change from today for them to do this, they'd just have to think up a somewhat reasonable excuse...

[–] Gigasser@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Probably they'd use obscenity laws. Or they might bring lawsuit after lawsuit, dmca after dmca, until it drains them of their funds.

[–] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 days ago

The possibilities are endless.

I gotta get offline now. This morning hasn't been too great for my mental health.

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[–] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 days ago (5 children)

And also good to keep in mind is that digital storage is volatile. Yes it's impractical to have a few terabytes printed out, but if stored properly, it'll last longer than digital media storage.

Another thing to consider:
If things go full on crazy, like they seem likely to do, being in possession of improper knowledge could be a capital offence when the thought police come knocking.

[–] Gigasser@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Another thing to consider: If things go full on crazy, like they seem likely to do, being in possession of improper knowledge could be a capital offence when the thought police come knocking.

Ehhh, fuck fascists. They can't get all of us if a bunch of us do this.

[–] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's all hypothetical for now. But with control of the house and senate, there's not a single thing actually stopping them as long as the rank and file of the GOP stay in line and push everything through. Hopefully there's enough liberal and further left inclined "Well organised militias" to fight back against anything super fashy....

[–] Cuttlefish1111@lemmy.world -1 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Lmaoo are you serious? Nothing has happened nation wide,. Turns out people like their shitty jobs over murder.and prison. The rule of law did not evaporate.

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[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 53 points 2 days ago (9 children)

With the internet as it is it's extremely unlikely we'll see an information purge like nazi Germany. We might see censorship and destruction of art but information will survive internationally.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago

We should probably assume most things are hosted in the states and have ron desantis coming for them.

[–] Gigasser@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

Hopefully they don't go all "Great Firewall of the US" on us.

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[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The fascist, directly into cold storage and left to bit-rot.

Joking aside, history. If you really think the internet will not be a thing yet want to survive: water purification. farming, water management, plant guides, waste technology (your bodily excretions have a lot of uses (from laundry to fertilizer) but also a number of risks), medicine, forestry, jointery, metalworking, mining, animal husbsnwdry, skinning, hunting, numeracy, literacy, leadership, etc. in roughly that order

[–] greencactus@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

You just provided the science tech path for the Civilization games

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 44 points 2 days ago (5 children)

For a while now I've wanted to start a project of shit politicians say. Video as much as possible. Every shitty immoral reprehensible thing that they come out and say and do logged into a searchable archive. Make it super easy for regular people to stitch together anti-political ads using the politicians own words with context.

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Samesies.....

It's very difficult though, sourcing material is difficult enough, archiving and making it actually useful and valuable even moreso. It takes a lot of intelligent processing.

LLMs can reduce that effort a lot, on the searching side, but that's very expensive either in hardware or in API costs. And either way, would likely involve the efforts of a team to achieve.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Honestly I think the hardest part is identifying it and locating it.

Probably need to start a community around it. People link to stuff. Pay walls would have to be dealt with. In the vast majority of cases that's not too difficult. No it does start getting less available around video sources. IP restrictions will be a pain in the ass.

Recording the video is messy. YT-DLP could work for some things, But honestly with the level of what's coming I'd be afraid of leaving fingerprints on anything. Probably throwing a full screen player up in a 1080p window and using OBS on it would be the safest. Could probably get away with using an elgato to capture the HDMI signal up to 4K.

Speech to text models are light enough to run on raspberry pi. They'll need to be vetted. They're not highly accurate. Captioning is a great community task.

Organizing an indexing the captions, there's no shortage of free database software. I probably start with sqlight to keep things portable and fluid. Moving to Maria or Postgres when things get too slow, But then we're going to have to host it. Anonymous hosting is a completely different ball of wax.

Storing the data would get out of hand quickly. It's trivial enough to buy a single 20 tb hard drive and store more than we'd need for years. But then hosting it anonymously would be difficult to say the least. Even the markers of these conversations would be traceable enough for us to be located. Paying for a private enough nude to be safe is going to be pricey over time.

I'm sure archive.org would take it, But honestly I wouldn't put $5 on them surviving a couple of years into the new administration. What they're doing is to inconvenient to too many corporations with deep pockets.

IPFS would work, well about as well as it works anyway, but that's the opposite of anonymous.

Edit: come to think of it it would be a hoot to run it on the short video federated platform. Just keep the database somewhere else. Again not anonymous enough for my tastes, But what I had a little bit of fun to the project.

[–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 48 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Why? More than 50% of US voters just elected a convicted felon and rapist. Using the politicians' utterances against them is not going to do anything.

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

Because advertising is what wins?

There's no such thing as bad publicity anymore. If you can gain a lot of publicity with well-timed and poignant collages and snippets that target audience on say tic Tok. That's an extremely powerful tool.

Currently things like this take not insignificant time and effort. Reducing the time of production is valuable.

[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 days ago

I have to believe in a future where people look back on this from a world with less hatred in it than it currently has. I want to give the perpetrators of hate as little plausible deniability as possible.

I have to believe that even though looking back on history didn't seem to help us avoid this situation, that there will be people in the future who are wiser and empowered to make better choices for them and their communities.

It's a fantasy, and I honestly don't care if it's unrealistic. It's what I need to believe to keep going. I need to believe there can be something better after this, regardless of whether I'll get to experience it.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It's not for now, it's for our kids, or their kids, assuming we get some morals in a couple of generations.

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[–] Gigasser@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago

Best time to start this was before. But 2nd best time is now!

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[–] philpo@feddit.org 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You can easily keep Wikipedia around - burn it on archive BDs(M-Disc), they are easily hidden, can take the whole Wikipedia in one disk and basic information is extremely valuable in an oppressive regime. Then do the same for a collection of E-Books based on what is most likely to be banned/what the right wing does take the biggest offence on. And what aids you the most in either getting out or resist.

Using archive BDs(M-Discs) is important as regular storage devices can easily be detected due to their metallic contents and they degrade within years. M-Discs are far more resilient and can be almost as easily hidden.

[–] bamfic@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

WTF is a BDSM disc? Some kind of kink thing?

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (7 children)

I'm going to do a shameful plug here, but I have made a sharing protocol & implementation that can be used to store data safely and also to safely share this data.

It's called Tenfingers

It's working but it is still in its infancy, so any help would be greatly appreciated.

Please do say what you think about it!

Lets keep the morale!

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[–] BonerMan@ani.social 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Pack everything and leave

In reality we (the internet people) still have the stuff.

[–] morphballganon@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

How do you convince the new place to let you stay?

[–] BonerMan@ani.social 0 points 17 hours ago

Say you are a refugee because you have to fear your safety. At best be LGBT or a minority. Or just go to Germany and become a citizen, its not that hard.

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