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[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Overall, a majority of white women support Trump over Harris. People need to grapple with the fact that Trump is quite popular across a surprising number of demographics -- for example, he's more popular with Hispanic voters than any other republican president. He's popular enough that he continues to close the national polling gap (Harris leads by less than 1% now in Silver's poll aggregator; Biden won by over 4% and he still narrowly won the electoral college by only ~80,000 votes), and Nate Silver's projections currently have Trump with a roughly 10% (9.9%) higher chance of winning the electoral college.

And Trump continues to gain as Harris slips, which has been happening slowly but steadily for over a month.

Does it concern anyone else that Republican politicians and voters seem to have dramatic, radical, concrete, and material plans for after they win and after they lose? And it seems like democrats have zero plans if they lose other than to say "it's not possible, I clearly called him a fascist on social media many times"? No one I've spoken with that's a dem or any flavor of left has any concrete plans for if Trump wins. And he's the favorite to win right now. Does that seem bad to anyone else or..? No? OK cool.

[–] djsoren19@yiffit.net 8 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I mean, who is meant to generate the plan? I'm pretty sure it wasn't my responsibility, it likely wasn't your responsibility, in fact I'd be willing to be it wasn't the responsibility of any citizen working in a non-government position.

We have no plan because the Democratic party has no plan. We have put our trust and faith in a party of complete fucking fools, the kind of blind out-of-touch idiots who assumed Biden would crush Trump by default. Their only concern is fundraising and making sure their corporate masters are appeased.

If the Dems win, they still deserve to face retribution for this. Work with local unions in your area. Organize to elect leftists politicians to the House and Senate. Replacing Republicans is always the preference, but we shouldn't be afraid to replace Democrats as well.

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago
[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 2 points 12 hours ago

The Democrats haven't won the majority of white voters since the Civil Rights Act was enacted

[–] cheers_queers@lemm.ee 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

what plan exactly are we supposed to have? most of us can't afford to leave the country, and that's the only plan that i can think of. we're all hostage in this capitalist hellscape.

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world -2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

This is exactly the sentiment I'm talking about. The only plan you have is to run away and complain about capitalism. The right is organized to fight from the grassroots up to the executive with back up plans for their back up plans. At this point, with apathy like yours, maybe they deserve to win.

[–] cheers_queers@lemm.ee 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I'm disabled, not apathetic. i am physically not in a position to do that, although i support it fully. it's not cool to judge people when you have no idea what their life is like. i would love to be more politically involved but all my energy is going toward not losing my job, and keeping my family fed and clothed.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So many "well akchewalllys" in this thread..

Just because you don't like the phrasing, or have other grievances, does not negate the message.

[–] stephen01king@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 hours ago

If the phrasing alienates people on your side, and is not effective at changing the minds of people on the other side, it kinda negates the message even is the message is correct.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

Well actually …. Jk the message is spot on

[–] vividspecter@lemm.ee 77 points 2 days ago (2 children)

In turn, women need to vote like their rights depend on it. Because you might find in a years time that there is a nationwide abortion ban and there is nowhere left to go.

[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)

There is a big population of women who are past childbearing age that are voting for Trump. It's fucked up, but just getting women to vote may not work. They need to get young women to vote.

So many elderly women are going to be voting who no longer have skin in the abortion game.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago

The KKKaren vote

[–] taldennz@lemmy.nz 36 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And of course they'll stop at abortion right...

[–] Veneroso@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Birth control.

Right to marry.

Right to vote.

It wasn't too long ago that women couldn't have a credit card or a bank account.

Leaving a hospital unaccompanied.....

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Well you see, according to conservatives, women doing any of those things are acting counter for their god-given gender roles. As such, they are transgender, and deserve to have their rights taken away...

Did you really think the focus on trans people is actually ultimately about trans people?

[–] 01011@monero.town 24 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The last time Trump was elected a significant chunk of the white female electorate sided with him. I’d look there before talking about men, especially Black men who seem to be the preferred scapegoat.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, this gets glossed over a lot, but it was White Women who gave Trump the nod, specifically because the DNC just assumed all white women would be voting for HRC. Meanwhile HRC remains one of the most politically reviled candidates in modern history.

White women benefit from structural racism above all others, with the exception of white MEN.

So who exactly is being lectured here, and why?

[–] 01011@monero.town 10 points 1 day ago

It's easier to talk down to Black men than to hold white women to account.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 39 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Women outnumber men, get them to vote!

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 8 points 2 days ago

Get everyone to vote.

Women need to vote in their obvious interest.

Men need to stop daydreaming about living in the Handmaid's Tale and wake up to the realization that women's rights matter to all of us. They owe it to the women in their life to step up to defend them.

The only excuse not to vote in this election is to not have the right to.

And people need to stop whining about being told that it's the most important election every time there's an election. They're being asked to set off a few hours to preserve democracy every 4th year. It's not such a huge thing to ask.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Drusas@fedia.io 15 points 2 days ago

An accurate one.

[–] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 8 points 2 days ago (3 children)

“If we don’t get this election right, your wife, your daughter, your mother, we as women, will become collateral damage to your rage,"

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And watch a ton of women stand in line on election day to vote for Trump.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

Religion is a cancer of the mind.

[–] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hide yo wife, hide yo kids

[–] don@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

I remember this meme

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Collateral damage?

What an odd phrasing. This is not about collateral damage. The Republican Party is running on an anti-woman agenda. Women are actively targeted. There's nothing collateral about it.

[–] 0xD@infosec.pub 3 points 1 day ago

It is the collateral of political ignorance.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago
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