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[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 9 points 2 days ago

So...what really happened? Israel says it did a "crippling" attack on all of Iran's air defenses and ability to make drones and missiles. Iran says it intercepted most of the attack, limiting the extent of the damage, though with some fatalities (as definitively noted in the article). I've heard conflicting accounts of whether Israel fired from outside Iranian airspace or whether they were doing laps around Tehran. I've seen multiple videos of Iran's air defense in action, but these can be cherry-picked.

Obviously there is going to be an enormous amount of censorship, propaganda, and straight up misinformation. Good luck getting actual good info.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 144 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Iran is correct.

Israel is destabilizing the region further with this shit.

[–] 4lan@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Can we just let the leaders duke it out? 1 on 1 knife fights. Leave the people out of this shit

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If only.

[T]he ministers and generals of the two countries, dressed in bathing-drawers and armed with clubs, can have it out among themselves. Whoever survives, his country wins. That would be much simpler and more just than this arrangement, where the wrong people do the fighting.

  • All Quiet on the Western Front, written by a WW1 veteran
[–] PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Do you just have quotes like this in a rolodex?

I loved the book, but cannot pull quotes for the life of me.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Nah, just good at vaguely remembering quotes and then googling things like "All Quiet On The Western Front generals quarrel quote"

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 63 points 4 days ago (1 children)

We hear about Israel’s right to protect itself so often we almost forget that everyone has it.

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Everyone, except Palestine and Lebanon

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago

I mean right doesn't equate to ability...

[–] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Eye for an eye for an eye for an eye for an eye...

[–] Nasan@sopuli.xyz 6 points 4 days ago

Except for the last guy who will still have one eye. How's the blind guy gonna take the eye of the guy with one eye left? All that guy had to do is run away and hide behind a bush. Gandhi was wrong.

[–] Brown_dude69@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee 15 points 4 days ago (2 children)
[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 7 points 4 days ago

So great that there will not be a need for another. (this time for sure)

[–] Brown_dude69@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (3 children)

How the hell a war is to end war.

[–] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee 6 points 3 days ago

"The war to end war" (also "The war to end all wars";[1] originally from the 1914 book The War That Will End War by H. G. Wells) is a term for the First World War of 1914–1918. Originally an idealistic slogan, it is now mainly used sardonically,[2] since not only was the First World War not history's final war, but its aftermath also indirectly contributed to the outbreak of the even more devastating Second World War.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_war_to_end_war

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 7 points 4 days ago

Can’t have wars when we’re all dying of nuclear fallout and/or nuclear explosion

[–] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 days ago

There will come soft rains and the smell of the ground, And swallows circling with their shimmering sound; And frogs in the pools singing at night, And wild plum trees in tremulous white; Robins will wear their feathery fire, Whistling their whims on a low fence-wire; And not one will know of the war, not one will care at last when it is done. Not one would mind, neither bird nor tree, If mankind perished utterly; And Spring herself, when she woke at dawn Would scarcely know that we were gone.

[–] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 30 points 3 days ago

Can't disagree, every nation has the right to defend itself.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 30 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (13 children)

To repeat immortal words of the sage ~~Pierce~~ Piers Morgan, "what should the Iranian government do?".

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[–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago

No lies detected.

Godspeed.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I wonder how long these two will keep attacking each other in the name of their right to defend themselves. They should attack at the same time so both can say it was retaliation for the another's simultaneous attack, it's a perfect plan, both can say they got the last word and stop. Waiting for my Nobel peace prize.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 25 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

It's unlikely they'll attack before the election, if they do. They know every escalation is another vote for Trump, and even Iran doesnt want Trump in power. My guess is they're going to see who wins and what comes out of it before making any decisions.

[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 11 points 4 days ago (4 children)

This analysis ignores the internal motivations for foreign policy.

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[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Iran doesn’t want Trump in power

Why not, would you say?

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 13 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Trump is an even bigger Zionist supporter than Biden, which is pretty impressive considering how much support Biden gives them.

On top of that, he also did a lot of bad things towards Iran when he was president like sabotaging a deal Obama setup meant to ensure Iran has no nukes in favor of less sanctions and better relations. He also assassinated their top general Soleimani.

[–] Quail4789@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 days ago

And he's unhinged so you can't make strategic moves against him. He might just decide to do some over-the-top bullshit.

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[–] AstridWipenaugh@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

What were soldiers doing in hospitals and schools? It's almost like they wanted to get themselves blown up!

Oh, my bad. Wrong place. I got it confused with this one:

“A Major Massacre” in Jabaliya; Israeli Forces Raid Kamal Adwan Hospital in Northern Gaza, Killing Patients

Or maybe it was this one:

Israel strike on Gaza school-turned-shelter kills 17, hospital says

Damn, maybe it was this one:

Israeli attack closes last functioning hospital in north Gaza

Found it! I was thinking of this one:

Israeli shelling of Gaza school kills at least 22

Well, it's at least one of those.

[–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

What Iranian hospitals or schools did Israel hit?

Based on intelligence, IAF aircraft struck missile manufacturing facilities used to produce the missiles that Iran fired at the State of Israel over the last year. These missiles posed a direct and immediate threat to the citizens of the State of Israel. Simultaneously, the IDF struck surface-to-air missile arrays and additional Iranian aerial capabilities, that were intended to restrict Israel’s aerial freedom of operation in Iran. Source

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 12 points 4 days ago

Exactly. I guess the missile accuracy varies depending on the direction launched.

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[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 9 points 4 days ago
[–] b161@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 4 days ago

Damn straight.

[–] MoonSmile@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago
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