"Oh, this is calamity! Calamity! Oh no, he's on the floor!"
Welcome to MoG!
Meanwhile On Grad
Documenting hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse. Memes are welcome!
What is a Tankie?
(caution of biased source)
Basic Rules:
Sh.itjust.works Instance rules apply! If you are from other instances, please be mindful of the rules. — Basically, don't be a dick.
Hate-Speech — You should be familiar with this one already; practically all instances have the same rules on hate speech.
Apologia — (Using the Modern terminology for Apologia) No Defending, Denying, Justifying, Bolstering, or Differentiating authoritarian acts or endeavours, whether be a Pro-CCP viewpoint, Stalinism, Islamic Terrorism or any variation of Tankie Ideology.
Revisionism — No downplaying or denying atrocities past and present. Calling Tankies shills, foreign/federal agents, or bots also falls under this rule. Extremists exist. They are real. Do not call them shills or fake users as it handwaves their extremism.
Tankies can explain their views but may be criticised or attacked for them. Any slight infraction on the rules above will immediately earn a warning and possibly a ban.
Off-topic Discussion — Do not discuss unrelated topics to the point of derailing the thread. Stay focused on the direct content of the post as opposed to arguing.
You'll be warned if you're violating the instance and community rules. Continuing poor behaviour after being warned will result in a ban or removal of your comments. Bans typically only last 24 hours, but each subsequent infraction will double the amount. Depending on the content, the ban time may be increased. You may request an unban at any time.
As a bonus, nontankie removed comments, as usual.
so cute the way he edited the title, the article originally says South Korea. He legitimately made the conscious effort to change the title of an article and posted it to a worldnews community. So strange they think North Korea is a paradise, it's really weird.
The comments are great as well, right-click to view.
How dare you use whataboutism! only I AM allowed to use whataboutism! Banned!
Ah yes, Yogthos, the cherry picking champion of Lemmy.
Yogthos is a moron he literally posts Chinese propaganda if you ask about Tiananmen Square it's my favorite on the Internet. If you get him to do it check out the link he provides all sources say the exact opposite it's so funny they literally think they can just claim sources and people won't check
edit; https://redsails.org/another-view-of-tiananmen/#fn24
this is the link he sent me before
I wouldn't say he's a moron. He is filthy rich though, his extremely wealthy family fled from Russia to Canada, and naturally it's landed him a pretty cushy job where he doesn't need to do anything. He posts 25-50 times daily, every day, for five years and that's just on Lemmy. He posts on other sites too.
He is the bourgeoisie, and that must drive him mad. Probably explains his oddities
It's a shame Tankies don't have any values they stand upon, oh well, they are all harmless afterall.
LOL that's wild, it explains so much of his nonsense though, thanks for the context!
how do you know this lol
He told me
Well he is a moron and I don't really care what he said. I'm the richest man in the world
And you believed him? With all the nonsense they spout, I'd assume a bit of exaggeration...
People don't tend to exaggerate something pathetic unless they want sympathy
Or if they want to brag.
Have you met this guy?
He's talked about it in detail in one of his posts.
Ah
So he is pretty much a Russian Oligarch. Actually that checks out.
I got tired of him saying how great a country was at year X, while ignoring what happened at year Y that made the country collapse at year Z.
Yup, did that once then generally ignored them.
I love how they claim to be the champions of the non-anglos, and yet they have no fucking clue what my family in "occupied Korea" wants or needs. I wonder if if they would have the gall to dismiss them for being "too American" or whatever even though they dont even speak English
The .ml tankies who love North Korea have literal physical worms in their brains or something.
It’s one of those things where yes, you can recognize that the US supported an inhumane regime in the south that was at least 50% the reason why Korea was pushed to civil war, simply for its own selfish geopolitical purposes… while also recognizing that there’s been a lot of water under the bridge since then. And while the South made good progress on its governance, the North went totally the opposite way.
But when your brain is fueled on “everything the US is against, I must support”, such considerations go out the window.
It’s one of those things where yes, you can recognize that the US supported an inhumane regime in the south that was at least 50% the reason why Korea was pushed to civil war,
Bruh, the South Korean regime before democratization was terrible, but the human rights standards of either Korea had very little to do with why civil war broke out. Both Koreas agreed that there was only one Korea, but the Soviet occupied North had already established itself as a ML regime and was uninterested in the UN supervised elections.
It’s not quite so straightforward.
If I recall my history correctly there were several opportunities for the North and South to work something out but to a large degree Syngman Rhee blocked it because he insisted on his own dictatorship rather than devolving any power to various labor-run initiatives around the country. (He was on the US/UN side and still turned out to be a maniac so those UN elections were mostly a symbol) That, and killing a bunch of unionizers of course.
It is true the Soviets had their own outcome they were angling for, but without US support Rhee would probably have been forced out and a compromise could have been reached.
Broadly speaking the Soviets were a lot less interested in securing outright puppet regimes than the US. History shows they were more reactive than proactive, so had the US backed off they might well have left it alone. Then again, this is of course a hypothetical.
Rhee blocked initiatives after he was in power, but the refusal of the Soviets to engage in the UN-endorsed elections before Rhee was established was the core issue of there not being one Korea instead of two. Everything after that was "Southern dictatorship vs. Northern dictatorship", yeah.
Rhee was a piece of shit that we supported, though, no doubt.
Broadly speaking the Soviets were a lot less interested in securing outright puppet regimes than the US. History shows they were more reactive than proactive, so had the US backed off they might well have left it alone.
... I beg your pardon
So we’re talking a bit past each other then. You have mentioned the cause of a divided Korea, which I largely agree with. (Although the US/UN were perhaps too quick on the trigger to hold elections only in the South, though it likely made no difference to the ultimate outcome) I was talking about the cause of the war. In my mind they are not the same thing, albeit two steps on the same dire path.
I'm of the opinion that as soon as there were two Koreas, war was inevitable, barring a total collapse of one regime or the other.
All that burgerland talk is making me want a bison burger, but all the Korea talk is making me want nakji-bokkeum. Decisions, decisions...
Split the difference and make some bison bibimbap.
Oooh, bison bulgogi, bison galbi, either would be good in bibimbap. I've got a couple things to try.
BTW: Yesterday I ended up going to the burger joint, but I got the bone marrow burger with a couple drams of Glenfarclas 18.