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Elon Musk’s latest changes for X are driving more users away – not exactly a surprise, granted – and many of them are flocking to rival social media outlet Bluesky. So many made the switch, in fact, it led to Bluesky briefly going down due to the volume of incoming new users.

The central move initiated by X that made the headlines for driving migration away from Musk’s platform is a change to the way the ‘Block’ button works. This was actually announced back in September, but is officially being implemented now (well, it’ll be in place ‘soon’ we’re told).

It means that going forward, X users who you have blocked will still be able to view your (public) posts – though they won’t be able to engage with them in any way (from replies to liking and so forth).

This is problematic for obvious reasons, in terms of enabling stalkers and trolls who will still be able to view the posts of an account that has blocked them, when previously this wasn’t the case. In the past, blocking meant that the blocked user couldn’t see any posts (or anything at all, save for a message telling them that they’ve been blocked), but soon, this will change.

Bluesky posted to say it had in excess of 100,000 new users inside 12 hours following the announcement by X, after the rival network highlighted the fact that its block function stops those who are blocked from viewing any posts.

In an update, Bluesky noted that it has now gained half a million new users in the past day.

There’s another reason that some folks are rapidly exiting from X stage left (and right, and indeed center, clambering over the audience, it would seem), and that’s a change to X’s privacy policy.

As TechCrunch reports, the new policy includes an update that allows third-party collaborators to use content on X to train their AI models – unless the user opts out. This is a notable extension of the reach of AI training on X, which has so far only been used to train Musk’s own Grok AI (unless users opt out, again).

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[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 1 points 17 minutes ago* (last edited 16 minutes ago)

ive been enjoying bluesky more than twitter. i just wish more bug accounts would migrate. i post on both platforms with a script that i wrote and my engagement/followers ratio is far higher

[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 73 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (2 children)

Dude, that’s gonna be one hell of a racist AI just based on the dataset it’s gonna receive

[–] jayrodtheoldbod@midwest.social 8 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

It's gonna train the little robot dog, which they're gonna put a gun on. And drones. It's gonna train drones, he'll sell it to anyone who'll buy the data.

[–] nokturne213@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 hours ago

he'll sell it to anyone who'll buy the data.

And if they will not buy it musk will sue them until they buy it.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 5 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

This is why when we give vacuum robots AI powers, they run around your house shouting racist pejoratives

Welcome to the future

[–] Jordan117@lemmy.world 15 points 4 hours ago

While anything that gets people off Twitter is good, I'm sorely unimpressed by those artists who "had to" to patronize the racist transphobic neo-Nazi hellhole "because my audience is there"... until Musk's policies happened to offend their own personal interests, by requiring training for their AI. Countless models trained on all public images already exist, jumping ship won't prevent their work from being scraped elsewhere, and frankly, any one image or even portfolio will contribute virtually nothing to the result, so quitting in protest is largely symbolic. But so many peoples drew the line at that, and not at Musk making "cis" a slur, or protecting child pornographers, or boosting white supremacist supremacy theories. It's really disappointing to see.

[–] Euphorazine@lemmy.world 18 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

So let's say on Twitter, someone blocks me and I can't read their post. Can't I just log out and read their post that way? I don't have a Twitter account, so I've never seen a blocked link before.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 17 points 3 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Euphorazine@lemmy.world 5 points 40 minutes ago* (last edited 37 minutes ago) (1 children)

I can see this random tweet from Taylor Swift just fine in incognito mode. I can't look at replies but I can see her posts.

https://x.com/taylorswift13/status/1781171613058097619

People on Lemmy link to tweets all the time and I can navigate and read them. Not sure what you mean then that it's authwalled. It's an annoying experience and it bugs me every time I visit to make an account or log in, but I can see them.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 1 points 11 minutes ago* (last edited 10 minutes ago)

Maybe it just authwalls shared IPs like Google does (eg YouTube)

[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 2 points 4 hours ago

Yup, that's exactly right. On Lemmy you don't even have to log out, blocking someone simply means you can't see their posts. If you don't want a harasser or stalker to see something, and you post it publicly, you're an idiot.

And this is the way it should be... You shouldn't be able to silence someone from responding to stuff you say publicly by blocking them.

[–] Lon3star@lemmy.world 82 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Come on over to Mastodon, the water's nice

[–] ruckblack@sh.itjust.works 47 points 6 hours ago (9 children)

I've stopped recommending it. The discovery and trending post mechanisms are either garbage or non-existent, and it's really hard to get a feed that's remotely entertaining. Devs also seem ideologically opposed to adding any features like that. It'll just give normal people who aren't willing to deal with all this crap a bad taste in their mouth when it comes to the fediverse. I do recommend lemmy to people tho.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 14 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

I feel like its the opposite.

Mastodon's hashtag following is by far the best discovery method out there.

I've stopped using Bluesky because I can't find any content and there's just too much "screaming into the void" making it impossible to find anything of substance.
I've stopped using Threads because it's just engagement bait.

[–] anoncity@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

Yeah Threads has nothing of substance, just engagement bait as you said. X is similar now that users can make ad revenue

[–] ruckblack@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 hours ago

I disagree, I just think some kind of engagement algorithm would be better. I haven't used bluesky or threads so I can't speak to them. I'm just saying that back in the day on twitter, I had no problem finding a bunch of very funny and clever posts, and posts were catered to me well. Through both me following people and I assume through the engagement algorithm. I've tried adding a bunch of hashtags, but I'm not finding a bunch of hilarious stuff to send to my friends like I did back then on twitter.

Bunch of spam too, because bots use the hashtags, so I'm often scrolling through a bunch of auto-posted stuff. Idk. Maybe I'm using it wrong. I just feel like your average person isn't going to go through all that crap so they'll cling to twitter until it dies.

And I've tried switching instances around, which is just confusing honestly, and didn't really help with finding lots of content that I want to see. I used mastodon more when I was able to mirror people I know are funny on twitter to my mastodon feed lol. I want to like it, I just find I'm never tempted to go on it. Can't figure it out.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 9 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

I wonder if they’re afraid of Eternal September’ing the service. A lot of people on Lemmy were upset when a bunch of people on Reddit joined. I can’t imagine what it would be like to have millions join in one day. I doubt it would be good for the culture of the community!

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 hours ago

A lot of people on Lemmy were upset when a bunch of people on Reddit joined

How many active users were there pre API fisaco? Fedidb graph doesn't go back that far.

[–] ruckblack@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 hours ago

That's fair I suppose.

[–] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 6 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

While I agree that it makes Mastodon less entertaining I also think that it makes it a lot more fair, representative and trustworthy as a lens through which to observe & participate in social discourse and share information and opinions. That in itself will probably mean that it remains less popular but I think it's also what makes it more valuable IMO. We need to calm down from the urgency of the digital dopamine cycle, for many reasons. If social media is a truly human media then it should be boring at times because that is a human reality that we are adapted to.

[–] ruckblack@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 hours ago

Yeah fair points. I will say this implosion of the social media I used to use has pushed me towards doing other things than scrolling on my phone lol, and that is a positive thing.

[–] moormaan@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 hours ago

I agree. I love Mastodon's calm columnar UI with lists and hashtags where I feel I'm in control of my experience, and that I can just stop whenever and come back in three days.

[–] clot27@lemm.ee 1 points 3 hours ago

Exactly, their official app is just pure garabage and they aren't even trying to fix it

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 1 points 3 hours ago

Yeah, once we have mastodon-wide full text search, it'll be useful.

[–] jaxiiruff@lemmy.zip 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Lemmy and Bluesky are what I use, atproto is just much more promising for microblogging than activitypub and Mastodon proves that. Lemmy is perfect for it though.

[–] actually@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

Another issue I had was hundreds of saved toots having had awesome pictures, important data or things to do.

I saved them hoping to use some later, but it all remained an unorganized glop: unusable unless I looked at each one again, in order, to find the 75th one back, about a cat

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[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 98 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

What a garbage dataset to train off. The majority of everything there is all bots and AI anyway lol

[–] ohellidk@sh.itjust.works 54 points 7 hours ago (5 children)

bots training bots. maybe this will (hopefully) corrupt the AI's data. its kind of like copying off a copy again and again.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 29 points 7 hours ago

This is in fact precisely what happens. LLM output becomes increasingly incoherent with each subsequent generation trained off of previously AI generated data.

[–] TriPolarBearz@lemmy.world 18 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

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[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 10 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Don't forget to yell into the data PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS!!!!

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[–] skvlp@lemm.ee 7 points 6 hours ago

The AI version of mad cow disease.

[–] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Man I think it's already done, and been done for a long time, without AI. So much of who we are now is based on and informed by what we've read and watched online. It's our been our dominant frame of reference, language and value system for quite a while. We are the AI.

[–] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

There are no buses in this picture

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[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 25 points 7 hours ago

And that’s on top of all the Brazil users who fled to BlueSky when he refused to comply with a court order (and pay a fine) so they blocked Twitter for a few days. I’m not sure how many went back after he paid the fine but BlueSky was fairly popular in Brazil even during the closed beta so I’m sure a ton stuck around.

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 18 points 8 hours ago

Lol, that's probably 30% of real people still using it

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 13 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

has so far only been used to train Musk’s own Grok AI

The Grok models are a laughing stock in the LLM space. They aren't good over APIs, and they're even less useful after Elon "open sources" them far later. Qwen 72B, and heck, Qwen 32B is already better than Grok 2, which is probably hundreds of billions of parameters. Qwen is runnable locally right now, Apache 2.0, and released day one. Grok 1 is... well, I dunno, no one has even bothered to try hosting it for anything.

I dunno what Twitter is doing with all those H100s Elon hoarded, but it seems like a big waste so far. Its certainly nothing to help the open source/self hosting space or to "decensor" and "democratize" LLMs like Elon fans seem to think.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 1 points 22 minutes ago

dunno what Twitter is doing with all those H100s Elon hoarded

Duh. Mining crypto.

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 9 points 7 hours ago

Wonderful. Negative press for Musk makes me smile.

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