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[–] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 22 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

It's just naive in my opinion. They say they care so much about Palestine, but refuse to sit down, grow up, and face our current political reality. I would love to have ranked voting, or even just a valid third party choice, but that is not going to happen in the next 3 weeks. And we are still reeling from the repercussions of the last Trump Term. They'll continue to stack government and courts with the same backwards thinkers to make progress, if any, even harder. They'll continue to make life harder and more dangerous for not even just minorities, but just anyone who's not able to buy their way out of it.

But it doesn't matter! They're both the same! There is no way Trump could be worse. Because while Palestinians watch Israel's interpretation of "just end it" with out a cease fire, they'll die with the knowledge that, somewhere, in another country, a woman is bleeding out in the parking lot because some people wanted to make a point. Oh, boy, won't that be great? /s

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 11 points 1 hour ago

IMO anyone who argues to vote third party right now is a Russian troll.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 12 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I'll keep saying it: This is not a Mexican standoff you can win because the Dems have an out: the center voter. If you want the Dems to stop going center, they have to win all 3 houses consistently. They've had all 3 for only 4 of the last 24 years.

[–] chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 hour ago

Also that one time, if I recall correctly, had a bunch of Dems who were "pro-life" and vaguely Dem to get votes but not really progressive at all.

[–] Ledivin@lemmy.world 49 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (3 children)

A third party has literally no chance to win in our system, and nobody gives a single fuck about the miniscule amount of votes they do get - you're not moving any metrics, or sending any messages, or taking any stands. All you're doing is helping the worse option win.

So, if you truly hate Palestinians, then by all means vote Stein. If you want to see Ukraine taken over, then please vote Stein. If you want to see our country start murdering every version of queer people, then you really should vote Stein. That's all you're going to get for it.

Whether you like to see the truth or not, a vote for a third party is still a vote for genocide.

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 11 points 4 hours ago

And abstaining a vote is... still a vote for genocide. People need to get over this desire to make believe that voting makes them complicit in something and instead realize that it's a cold and rational duty. Vote for the best outcome possible. What you do the remaining 364 days of the year will decide your complicity.

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 6 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

"Wait, I can support genocide while pretending I'm not a Nazi??"
- Diet Racists

[–] Soup@lemmy.cafe 17 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Who in your scenario is supporting genocide exactly?

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 12 points 6 hours ago

Low-key Nazis who vote third party just so they can later claim they didn't vote for Trump? Idk, I hadn't really thought that far into it. I mean, the guy down the road from me took down his swastika when he put up his "I stand with Israel" sign, but now his yard is covered in 50000 Trump signs, so I'm guessing he's not voting third party...

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club -5 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

miniscule amount of votes they do get - you're not moving any metrics

If that's true then why do you care? It's a miniscule amount that's not moving anything.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Let's build some towers out of blocks and see whose is biggest!

The Dem tower is 48 blocks tall. The GOP Tower is 49 blocks tall. The 3rd party tower is 3 blocks tall. That 3 block tower isn't enough to win, but if they stacked onto the Dem tower, that's the difference between 4 years of status quo and 4 years of fascism.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

I know a lot of hard lefties that would be very upset if they could math right now.

[–] _bcron_@lemmy.world 20 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

If you're third party, it's currently a 2 party system but your end game is ranked choice voting, so throw your vote at the non-Republican who has the highest chance. After all, they use third party candidates such as RFK to siphon votes so you can only guess how strongly they'd oppose any system that disallows them from using that to their advantage. A vote for Republicans is a vote to never ever have third party candidates have any chance in any presidential election, just a strategic tool to help Republicans win

[–] Soup@lemmy.cafe 11 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Most of far leftists you see here with their accusations of “dOiNg a gEnOciDe” were absent from any discussions about Palestine prior to October. And I’d wager that a large portion of them couldn’t have pointed to Palestine on a map until around then either. I’d even guess that many of them still couldn’t.

I’ll digress.

At this point- you should probably know by now that there is no changing their minds. They know what they’re doing- we know what they’re doing. And there’s no point in debating with them because they’re just going to drag things out and repeatedly accuse you of shit that isn’t true in order to not have to answer anyone asking them to make sense of the rhetoric they repeatedly post here..

Call out their nonsense for what it is and move on. Save yourselves the time.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee -3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Voting þird party under fpðp is like voting for mexican food while dining out in ð UK.

Even if you some ð fuck how managed to bully everyone else into doing it, you're still eating mexican food made in ð UK.

Ðat shit makes Taco Bell look like ð mom and pop shop that just labels ðeir sauces by ð color and ðat consider hundred k scoville ingredients ð dietary accomodation food for midwestern white people.

[–] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago (2 children)
[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Dude likes using the ancient letters "thorn" and "eth" which sound like th and the. So fp(eth)p is short for "first past the post" which is how our voting system works. Sorry for quick series of ninja edits!

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago
[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee -5 points 7 hours ago

Remember, Ho Chi Minh knew all about America's history of genocide when he helped American soldiers fight the Japanese in WW2.

Sometimes, it's expedient to ally with those who aren't nice,