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[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 days ago (5 children)

the funniest part about this post is that trump and kamala's statements here are functionally identical, differing only in the phrasing.

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[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 20 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Can someone provide further sources by what she means by an all out war if Israel loses support? Like stop killing civilians in Gaza, that's all we're asking

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 17 points 4 days ago

You see, it is critical to expand the war to Lebanon in order to stop an all-out war.

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[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (14 children)

Yeah I'm perfectly fine with not being on the same side as people openly embracing Dick Cheney and weird people can't figure out how being active in genocide is bad.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 32 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (51 children)

This shit is so fucking stupid....

People ask why Kamala is so far right on so many issues compared to the Dem voter base...

And rather than say "yeah, I can't provide a valid reason she keeps going to the right", we keep getting these posts about how it doesn't matter?

Imagine if Kamala's line was just to the right of yours, whatever you care most about, she's just going to agree with trump on.

And when you go around, asking why you aren't important enough to be on Kamala's side of the line, everyone told you to stop being a baby and be happy with what you get, even tho what you want isn't included in her platform

Like, we don't gain votes by supporting a genocide.

We don't gain votes from a border wall and Trump's other border policies Kamala adopted.

Shit. Just being pro-fracking is going to lose us PA, and trump can't win the election without PA.

That one fucking issue that not a single person can explain why she holds. That's all it would take to prevent trump.

But instead of using your time productively to try and get Kamala to change while there's still time...

You want to shit on the people the party left behind?

Like this doesn't even seem like trying to bully them into voting anymore, you're punching down on these people constantly and gleefully....

You're acting exactly like a fucking trump supporter.

TLDR:

The people trying to pull Kamala left are the ones helping Kamala

You're trying to do the same thing Hillary supporters tried to do in 2016....

Do you honestly not remember how that worked out?

Or is this all intentional?

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[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago (19 children)

Oh yes. This will surely win over those far left voters.

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[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 23 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (16 children)

The majority of people want an end to the Unconditional Military Support of Israel. That is the requirement for the US to abide by US and International Humanitarian Law as well. It's not that complicated. You can't say you want to support civilians on both sides when you provide one side with the weapons used to commit genocide against the other unconditionally.

The argument for people who are anti-genocide to vote Harris, is that Trump will not only be much worse than the current administration, but will not be able to be swayed by public pressure in the same way Harris might be. The harm reduction argument is true for domestic policies, but is meaningless for foreign policy when the current administration is assisting Genocide.

Harris is significantly more likely to be pressured to change course from public pressure than Trump, that is the right argument for getting people who are anti-genocide to vote Harris despite the current administration's policy. Because the fight doesn't end after the election, but the fight will be much more difficult under a Trump administration.

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[–] DegenerateSupreme@lemmy.zip 23 points 4 days ago (18 children)

I was banned from r/LateStageCapitalism for politely supporting a post with this reasoning. I pointed out that Trump would make the conflict even worse for innocents, and voting third-party to make a statement against neoliberal Democrat rule (which is bad) is a position that, in this moment, only the least-vulnerable in America can take when there is a risk of outright christo-fascism threatening the least-enfranchised.

Banned. “This is a socialist sub.” Proceeded to see a post from a mod openly mocking anyone who entertained lesser-of-two-evils arguments; they sounded like a sneering teenager. Over there, it’s all theory and no parsing of theory with reality.

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[–] Kagu@lemmy.ml 24 points 4 days ago (3 children)

"Dude look at how stupid you look in this strawman I made of you!"

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