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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 255 points 1 month ago (1 children)

When your ego is so huge that it doesn't even occur to you that the person you're lying about will almost certainly see and publicly expose your lie.

Queerphobic, misogynistic asshole. I'm glad she called him out.

[–] abfarid@startrek.website 69 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Idk much about him, but I keep reading here and there that he was terrible. How did he manage to write Star Trek episodes if he was those things?

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 102 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

You can be brilliant in some ways while being useless or a POS in other ways.

Steve Jobs was an excellent salesman and marketer. He was an awful father and thought that a fruit-only diet would cure pancreatic cancer. Then, when he realised his curable cancer became incurable because of inaction, he jumped the organ donor queue (because apparently in the US money lets you do that), which not only didn't help him, but also likely killed someone else who it could've saved.

Richard Stallman is an excellent steward of open source software and user freedom in software, and he has been very prescient of the shit that would ultimately come from proprietary software. But he is also a major creep to women and a staunch defender of paedophilia and bestiality.

Someone I knew, before she passed away, was enormously selfless. Gave everything she had to others, fostered a lot of children who all grew up to be great people. Lived with almost no money because she preferred to spend it helping other people, was a big pusher of LGBT rights in the 80s and 90s, helped run a centre that helped HIV victims, never spoke up about the good she was doing because she preferred to keep it a secret... was (astounding to me) enormously racist.

People are complicated.

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 24 points 1 month ago

That last one speaks to how some people try and redeem themselves despite their flaws. We're not all cut and dry. You can still be a good person, even if you're flawed, provided the good you do outweighs the the bad. I would also throw a caveat in there, in that you're actively trying to address your faults, too. Doesn't do much good if you're burning crosses and houses to the ground, and then taking in the resulting foster children lol.

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[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 47 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Berman wasn’t the one writing or directing, he was the executive producer. which means he also wasn’t producing, he was the one who signed off on other people’s work. Read: he vetoed a lot of good ideas out of fear it would anger the studio. As progressive and intelligent as Star Trek was, he kept it from being so much better.

The writers and the lower producers did what they could. Sometimes sneaking around behind his back to make sure something was shown or said.

[–] T156@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

For example, Roddenberry wanted an LGBT character as far back as TOS, but it got vetoed by Berman. That would have been incredible for 1960.

I think he also did it when Frakes wanted the non-binary alien he flirted with in one episode to have a male actor instead of a female one, but that also got vetoed.

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

This comment confused me because Berman didn’t work on Star Trek until The Next Generation. He couldn’t have vetoed anything on the Original Series.

The main source of pushback during the 60s was the NBC executives (despite Lucille Ball and her DesiLu production company championing the series). Star Trek was constantly threatened with cancellation, then moved to a graveyard time slot for season 3, then was finally cancelled due to “ratings.”

[–] Blum0108@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago (11 children)
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[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago

Decent people can write stories about murderous characters who do not reflect their values.

Terrible people can write stories about decent people who do not reflect their values.

[–] OpenStars@startrek.website 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

As an aside, perhaps that speaks to just how great Gene Rodenberry was to have created the show in the first place? Here's an awesome comic about him.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

He survived THREE plane crashes? I don't know if he's the luckiest or unluckiest guy ever.

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[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

Because every time he changed an episode's script to "berman it up a little" he'd give himself a writers credit.

[–] psvrh@lemmy.ca 103 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Set phasers to burrrrrrrrn.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 35 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I wouldn't use any setting .... I'd just use the phaser pistol as a blunt object and beat him with it

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Let's invent a real agony booth and stick Rick Berman in it.

[–] Archer@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Good news everyone, we’ve finally invented the Agony Booth from the classic sci-fi “Please for the love of fuck don’t invent the Agony Booth”!

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Can’t we make just one for Rick Berman?

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[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Somebody put Denise's face on that gif of Riker exploding that one dude's head.

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 86 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Rick Berman, still a piece of shit.

[–] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fuck you Rick Berman. Wait, what is it with Ricks?

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 9 points 1 month ago (5 children)

who's the other Rick thats a POS?

[–] frezik@midwest.social 13 points 1 month ago

The context was a Rick who worked with Lucas on the prequels. I dunno if he was a POS, but he was one of the guys who couldn't tell George that his ideas were bad.

[–] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Rick McCallum, producer for the prequels. It's from Mr Plinkett red letter media for the prequels and TNG movies.

Come to my web zone and I'll send you some pizza rolls

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[–] noxy@yiffit.net 9 points 1 month ago
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[–] Z3k3@lemmy.world 72 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The more I learn about this guy the less I like him

[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't know shit about him, fill me in?

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 50 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Sexist piece of shit who liked to step all over anyone he perceived as "beneath" him (everyone) and if you've ever thought to yourself "given the rest of the show, why would THAT be a thing? It feels gross and entire groups of people would feel marginalized by this" while watching it, it was probably a Berman Special. Like Seven's.... "uniform"...

Also from what I understand, racist. Like the ferengi.

[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 51 points 1 month ago (2 children)

“friend”, I think some of that sarcasm dripped out of my phone while I was reading this

[–] Z3k3@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

Perhaps that's the skin of evil trying to escape

[–] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

tosses you some paper towels

Careful, I hear it stains pretty badly.

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[–] SARGE@startrek.website 46 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Two reminders

1:it's pronounced "Rick FUCKING Berman",

B- FUCK RICK FUCKING BERMAN.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I always preferred Rick "Everything He Touches Turns to Shit" Berman. He has the reverse Midas touch. Everything he touches spontaneously transforms into human feces.

[–] shottymcb@lemm.ee 31 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] verity_kindle@sh.itjust.works 36 points 1 month ago

His story smells like self-aggrandizing bullshit. If he got close enough to any actress to remove something from her costume, someone should have hit him with the cake. That's not your job, so don't touch the talent, asshole.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You know, with how great and progressive Star Trek is... Uh... The older Trek, mind you... I often wonder how anyone like Berman could even make something like that.

How could Star Trek continue under Berman and still be Star Trek?

[–] draneceusrex@lemmy.world 46 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Never meet your heroes. Joss Whedon, JK Rowling, Orson Scott Card... all the horrible people making super influencial content that so essentially stands in opposition to their horrid real life behavior. I just don't get it either...

[–] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is a long watch, but this video explains how Harry Potter is essentially a story about the virtues of bland centrism, and shows that the breadcrumb trail to Rowling's bigotry was there all along. The scales fell from my eyes while listening to this.

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[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Look closer and you'll find that Berman's run wasn't as progressive as you might remember. He repeatedly vetoed attempts to write stories about homosexuality, continued Roddenberry's thing about putting women in skimpy outfits, and so on. TOS was very progressive for the '60s, but TNG, VOY, and ENT were significantly less progressive for their time.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

continued Roddenberry's thing about putting women in skimpy outfits

No. Female officers wearing short dresses was requested by the women on set at the time, not by Roddenberry.

Initially men and women were going to wear the same uniforms, which was criticised by feminists.

Remember that at this time, women were rebelling against having to cover up their bodies for modesty sake. It was at around the time of "free the nipple" and women burning their bras. Short skirts and dresses were popular at the time because it's what women wanted to wear.

Women dressing "skimpy" on TOS was an act of female empowerment. Youre looking at this through a prudish 2024 lense and assuming seeing womens legs is down to sexism.

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[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 25 points 1 month ago

He just gets shittier and shittier jesus

[–] bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Believe it, but does anyone have links?

[–] frezik@midwest.social 33 points 1 month ago (3 children)

It's going to be hard to verify every detail about a personal interaction on set, but we can say Bermann's version doesn't match what is verifiable. The shows were shot out of order from how they were aired. Crosby's chronologically shot final scene was in Symbiosis, where she's seen waving goodbye in the cargo bay.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Symbiosis_(episode)#Cast_and_characters

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