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The board needs to oust the CEO.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 125 points 1 month ago (2 children)

“Matt’s war against WP Engine has been polarizing and upsetting for everyone in WordPress, but most of the WP community has been relatively insulated from any real effects. Putting a loyalty test in the form of a checkmark on the WordPress.org login page has brought the conflict directly to every community member and contributor. Matt is not just forcing everyone to take sides, he is actively telling people to consult attorneys to determine whether or not they should check the box,” the anonymous contributor I spoke to told me. “It is also more than just whether or not you agree to a legally dubious statement to log in. A growing number of active, dedicated community members, many who have no connection with WP Engine, have had their WordPress.org accounts completely disabled with no notice or explanation as to why. No one knows who will be banned next or for what... Whatever Matt’s end goal is, his ‘tactics,’ especially this legally and ethically ambiguous checkbox, are causing a lot of confusion and mental anguish to people around the world.”

This is the sort of behavior that causes irreparable damage to a brand. Psycho.

[–] villainy@lemmy.world 66 points 1 month ago

What a weird thing to do! They can sue each other until the cows come home for all I care but dragging the community into it like this comes off as petty imo. Musky even.

[–] ganoo_slash_linux@lemmy.world 87 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Based on entries to his personal blog and social media posts, Mullenweg has been on safari in Africa this week. Mullenweg did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Cherry on top, lmao. Of course he's off doing rich white CEO things.

[–] demizerone@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Homeboy going to shoot a Giraffe for the trophy room.

[–] unmagical@lemmy.ml 85 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This whole thing just makes me want to steer clear of wordpress entirely.

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 52 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm not sure what in the history of WordPress would have encouraged anyone to do otherwise.

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The efficient and clean code? /s

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[–] garretble@lemmy.world 71 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I’ve been using WP for personal projects for something like 15 years.

Nothing I’ve ever created has been that big, but I generally liked the tools nonetheless.

But now I think I’m out. I try to adhere to a rule where I don’t support rich weirdos as much as possible, and as such that’s why I use Lemmy to begin with. And don’t buy from Amazon. And don’t use Twitter any more. Etc.

So my next project now will totally be on new software. And hey, maybe I won’t have to use PHP ever again so this could be a win.

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 27 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Don't judge PHP by what you saw in WordPress. Modern PHP is amazing, WordPress had horrible code when it started and they definitely didn't fix things afterwards. It's a horrible slow mess of a code. Look at some modern PHP (for example this api of mine ) to compare.

[–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 47 points 1 month ago (10 children)

Thanks for sharing a modern php codebase. It makes me confident that giving it up and switching to Python was the right choice.

[–] Archer@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago
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[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Nice code, good job!

[–] mitexleo@buddyverse.one 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Have you tried static site generators like Hugo?

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[–] Caboose12000@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I'm out of the loop, what is WP Engine and why is the rich weirdo in control of WordPress being so weird about it?

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 36 points 1 month ago

WordPress is open source, there's a foundation and stuff. The Matt Mullenweg, the guy that started the software and CEO of Automatic (which is the main company) is super upset that WP Engine (another company) is using the software without contributing much to the foundation.

I mean it's a valid gripe, but there's not much anyone can do about it. But Matt Mullenweg is, like you say, being super weird about it.

[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 33 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Luckily I moved to Hugo static site generator 3 years ago.. peweff.. I love PHP, but boy Wordpress was going down hill back then. And still is to this day. Introducing "features" nobody asked for. And at the same time makes your site slow.

[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago (3 children)

As someone that made enough money to make a freelance career from moving people off of awful WordPress sites, WP's reputation has been in the toilet for a decade, easily. The CMS market has been strong for a long time, and there are countless better options out there.

With the push towards API backends and static sites, WP should have died years ago. I still cannot believe it's so popular.

[–] fistac0rpse@fedia.io 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Which other options would you recommend?

[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

If you want a standard CMS, you can't really go wrong with Umbraco. Some people are turned off by .NET, but for developer experience alone it's the best I've ever worked with.

There are many good choices, if you're looking for something more lightweight. Kirby, IndieKit, Concrete5, even Ghost are all solid. I also remember hearing about ClassicPress a while back, that was a fork of WP made during some technical and business decisions that some in the community didn't agree with - never used it though, and it's a fork of a time when the WP codebase was a joke.

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Isn't Umbraco the one that struggled loading a page that didn't exist, taking several seconds to load the PageNotFound page and causing very high CPU load in the meantime? Like, an issue they had for years?

Somehow I don't have great faith in that solution, but perhaps it's improved in recent years.

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[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I notice you didn't mention Drupal or Joomla, and last time I did any webdev (11 years ago as an intern) it seemed like those were some of the big ones (though my perspective was probably very limited back then). Are they no good, have they fallen out of favour?

[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I actually used Drupal a year ago, so it's definitely still around! Joomla isn't a name I've heard for a while though. To be fair, I mostly work in AI now, so I'm removed from the web dev world also.

I think flat file and API based CMS's have become more popular now, especially with many people questioning why so many CMS's were built on relational data stores for largely non-relational data. For many, the ability to drop a CMS in and have it "just work" is why some of the newer ones are growing in popularity.

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[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

.NET? .. yea no .. if you really need a CMS, try https://ghost.org/

[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

It's not early 2000's Slashdot. .NET and C# have been solid choices for software development for years, and Umbraco in particular is open source and probably the most welcoming CMS I've known when it comes to contributions.

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[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 26 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I run a WordPress site but I'm not a developer.

It seems like automatticuses the community for free development and profits from it. They in turn develop and support it, heck they created it.

However, with foss its free for WP engine to use and they dont like it. So they are throwing a hissy fit and making out its about the community and giving back. BS.

I assume it will fork.

[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 10 points 1 month ago

I assume people will actually leave to other platforms, maybe Ghost, maybe Hugo or Jekyll.

[–] jqubed@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

I think not even Automattic so much as Matt is the one mad about WP Engine. Maybe a few others there more closely involved with the code. Almost a decade ago I tried out for a support role there. Most people seemed pretty chill but he struck me as a bit odd (not that I interacted with him but I was present for a few company All Hands).

[–] breakingcups@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fork or CEO getting booted out in 3... 2... 1...

[–] claymore@pawb.social 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Personally I'd love to see the CEO thrown out. Maybe then Tumblr will benefit as well.

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[–] yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 1 month ago

I remember when I thought Matt's awfulness was only going to affect Tumblr, how naive of me

[–] Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'd just like to point out that WordPress is GPL, so anyone could do whatever they want with the code, including Auttomatic. If people using the software in a way that, although uncool, is totally something they agreed to, the best bet would be to leave WordPress as-is and spin continued development into a new product with a new license. Would people like it? No. Do people like this, though? Hell no.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The GPL is not a "whatever" license.

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[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

I'm gonna start checking out Ghost, at this point. This is ridiculous.

And if Ghost doesn't work, then ClassicPress it is.

[–] Vaggumon@lemm.ee 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Welp I'm done, just started talking to my clients about moving to SquareSpace.

[–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 8 points 1 month ago

Imagine thinking moving from a FOSS self-hosted software to proprietary SaaS shit is an upgrade lmao

[–] ulkesh@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Haven’t used anything related to Wordpress in 15 years. Seems I’ll make that a permanent decision now.

[–] interurbain1er@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 month ago

I lived through the time when every other website was a malware farm because of that POS platform.

I don't think there is a single other piece of software that inspire me so much hate as wordpress so I'm really rooting for a complete implosion of anything WP related and that Mullenweg end up forced to sell his body for food in Pattaya.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Do you condemn WordpressEngine?!

[–] thechadwick@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

** Church organ music intensifies...

 "I do renounce him." 

Priest: and all his works?

 "I do renounce them." 
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[–] kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You have to check the box to log in if you want to delete your account

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[–] veeesix@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago

So much for the goodwill of fediverse integration.

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