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The Movement for Settlement in Southern Lebanon said the settlement of the area will bring 'true and stable security to northern Israel'

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[–] tux0r@feddit.org 70 points 1 month ago (28 children)

Lebanon is not in Israel. Not. Their. Land.

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 35 points 1 month ago

Doesn't even stop them for doing it in Gaza and West Bank. That piece of land, that Israel we know now, is a combination of land grab through purchasing and warfare.

[–] tehWrapper@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They are still fighting over the stories in a 4000 year old book.

[–] john_lemmy@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 month ago

I think the wealth of nations is not that old

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Neither was the Golan Heights.

[–] tux0r@feddit.org 2 points 1 month ago

They still are not!

[–] sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Not yet, but soon, they'd say.

I'll throw in a few random thoughts there:

“The war will give us the land. The concepts of “ours” and “not ours” are peace concepts, only, and in war they lose their whole meaning” (Ben-Gurion, War Diary, Vol. 1, entry dated 6 February 1948. p.211)


So lets look at what will unfold in the next few months concerning Gazan land in the Israeli legal system, and in the future, Lebanese land. Once a peice of land is considered Israel, Non jews are forbidden by the torah from owning it, and jews arent allowed to sell or transfer it to non jews. They are permitted to lease it to nonjews for up to 50 years until a "jubilee" year, at which point all leases automatically terminate and the land is returned to its rightful owners regardless of other considerations. https://torah.org/torah-portion/weekly-halacha-5773-noach/ Thats for land not in a "town". If its in a town those rules do not apply. If the land has no buildings or inhabitants (which is Gaza, now) its not a town anymore and is just "land".

To add to this underdstanding of who owns 'just land', If you "find" land and improve it, with a single stepping stone even, if no one contests you after a period of 1 year, the land can be registered as yours thereafter. That is, barring any local laws which forbid such things (if say, you live in another country). But in war those laws are suspended as it is contested land. Land owners can also contest it by building an even better improvement than the interloper.

This derives from the idea that all land is actually owned by god, and Israelis are the people of god, amongst other concepts. Leviticus is chock full of land ownership rules, most of which never realy were implemented, although they are cited in disputes.

So, as we cross a year of north gaza being destroyed, religious israelis will now legally refer to all of it as unimproved land where no town sits.

As an ancillary consideration-- there are now few functioning religious sites present. This pertains to an exception about land reserved for religious purposes, and is why Palestinian graveyards were exhumed and erased, and mosques attacked. A mosque isnt a mosque if no one goes to it, and a graveyard isnt a graveyard if the bodies and markers are removed.

On the day the consideration is made the Israelis can clear out any inhabitants on it. If no one shows to the trial to contest, gaza will henceforth and forever be owned by israelis who register the land, and thus "gaza" will cease to legally exist as militarily occupied land, and will legally be considered Israel, by Israelis at least, and by people who consider these land rules to be a legitimate practice-- which surprisingly a lot of countries will do, because its customary to honor the laws of foriegn lands.

So look for that in the actions of their military in the week after the US election in November. They'll probably eventually do it in souhtern Lebanon as well, if they can make enough excuses to bomb city blocks and hold them vacant for a year. The US will back the ownership transfer and say they customarily dont get involved in internal government issues, and have no room to comment, if local laws were followed. They will tell people to take it up with the Israeli courts.

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[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 52 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Lebanonsraum

So non military Israelis are invading a soverign country and claiming land? I hope Lebanon treats them as the invaders they are.

[–] Presently42@lemmy.ca 32 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Aside from the obvious, has anyone noticed, that those stairs lead to a wall?

[–] JWBananas@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

This chair appears to have the reflection of a back, but not an actual back.

[–] _edge@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 month ago

Like Netanyahu's politics?

[–] vanontom@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Any day now, "AI" will stop producing this garbage. They just need another trillion dollars...

They're going to build right up to the river they told everyone to get north of.

[–] Jagothaciv@kbin.earth 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Forced gentrification is a thing the racists and weirdos want to do now huh?

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 21 points 1 month ago

Its's been an Israeli tactic for 50 years now.

[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)
[–] Nougat@fedia.io 55 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The only thing being pointed out there is that the settler group Uri Tzafon is not directly associated with the Israeli government. The article posted here doesn't say that they are.

Sure, this fringe group may be taking advantage of Israel's incursion into Lebanon for their own purposes, but the fact that the Israeli government doesn't say "Hey, cut that shit out," is telling. I would further expect that when "settlers" (occupiers) decide to take up residence in another country and then rightfully get kicked the fuck out of that country by force, that the Israeli government/military might then protect them in Lebanon. All while still saying "Oh, they're not at all affiliated with the Israeli government!"

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

this fringe group may be taking advantage of Israel's incursion into Lebanon for their own purposes, but the fact that the Israeli government doesn't say "Hey, cut that shit out," is telling

It sure is. It’s telling the exact same story the West Bank has seen play out for decades now.

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

settler group Uri Tzafon is not directly associated with the Israeli governmen

Isn't that way we call them settlers?

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

For me settling is primarily about stealing land. I'm not so concerned about the "legal status" of that theft under the thieves' regime.

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My point was that settlers are technically not considered Israeli.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They’re definitely Israelis. Are they agents of the government? Well this is a little subtler than you might think. No they are not on government payroll. Yes they hang on their government’s week to week, mile by mile policy posture toward settlement and constantly take as much as they can get away with without alienating that government. It’s such a tight relationship that yes, you should effectively hold the government responsible for their behavior.

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

It seems I am wrong. I thought certain settler groups weren't Israeli citizens to begin with.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago

....

The movement’s founder, Professor Amos Azaria, told Middle East Eye that: “Having a proper border based on the Litani river, or the Zahrani [river], will not only allow proper control over the border, but will in fact shorten the border as it becomes more of a straight line.

You can easily Google that guy

But maybe your problem is the source?

Do you trust an Israeli news agency more? Not sure why anyone would, but here you go.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-06-18/ty-article/.premium/lebanon-part-of-the-promised-land-israels-messianic-right-wing-targets-new-territory/00000190-2b9d-d340-a1f8-2b9d18220000

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