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The Movement for Settlement in Southern Lebanon said the settlement of the area will bring 'true and stable security to northern Israel'

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[–] tux0r@feddit.org 70 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Lebanon is not in Israel. Not. Their. Land.

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 35 points 1 month ago

Doesn't even stop them for doing it in Gaza and West Bank. That piece of land, that Israel we know now, is a combination of land grab through purchasing and warfare.

[–] tehWrapper@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They are still fighting over the stories in a 4000 year old book.

[–] john_lemmy@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 month ago

I think the wealth of nations is not that old

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Neither was the Golan Heights.

[–] tux0r@feddit.org 2 points 1 month ago

They still are not!

[–] sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Not yet, but soon, they'd say.

I'll throw in a few random thoughts there:

“The war will give us the land. The concepts of “ours” and “not ours” are peace concepts, only, and in war they lose their whole meaning” (Ben-Gurion, War Diary, Vol. 1, entry dated 6 February 1948. p.211)


So lets look at what will unfold in the next few months concerning Gazan land in the Israeli legal system, and in the future, Lebanese land. Once a peice of land is considered Israel, Non jews are forbidden by the torah from owning it, and jews arent allowed to sell or transfer it to non jews. They are permitted to lease it to nonjews for up to 50 years until a "jubilee" year, at which point all leases automatically terminate and the land is returned to its rightful owners regardless of other considerations. https://torah.org/torah-portion/weekly-halacha-5773-noach/ Thats for land not in a "town". If its in a town those rules do not apply. If the land has no buildings or inhabitants (which is Gaza, now) its not a town anymore and is just "land".

To add to this underdstanding of who owns 'just land', If you "find" land and improve it, with a single stepping stone even, if no one contests you after a period of 1 year, the land can be registered as yours thereafter. That is, barring any local laws which forbid such things (if say, you live in another country). But in war those laws are suspended as it is contested land. Land owners can also contest it by building an even better improvement than the interloper.

This derives from the idea that all land is actually owned by god, and Israelis are the people of god, amongst other concepts. Leviticus is chock full of land ownership rules, most of which never realy were implemented, although they are cited in disputes.

So, as we cross a year of north gaza being destroyed, religious israelis will now legally refer to all of it as unimproved land where no town sits.

As an ancillary consideration-- there are now few functioning religious sites present. This pertains to an exception about land reserved for religious purposes, and is why Palestinian graveyards were exhumed and erased, and mosques attacked. A mosque isnt a mosque if no one goes to it, and a graveyard isnt a graveyard if the bodies and markers are removed.

On the day the consideration is made the Israelis can clear out any inhabitants on it. If no one shows to the trial to contest, gaza will henceforth and forever be owned by israelis who register the land, and thus "gaza" will cease to legally exist as militarily occupied land, and will legally be considered Israel, by Israelis at least, and by people who consider these land rules to be a legitimate practice-- which surprisingly a lot of countries will do, because its customary to honor the laws of foriegn lands.

So look for that in the actions of their military in the week after the US election in November. They'll probably eventually do it in souhtern Lebanon as well, if they can make enough excuses to bomb city blocks and hold them vacant for a year. The US will back the ownership transfer and say they customarily dont get involved in internal government issues, and have no room to comment, if local laws were followed. They will tell people to take it up with the Israeli courts.