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China is investing in EV factories, battery plants, and all sorts of other transition tech around the world. It is building EV factories and battery plants abroad to retaliate against a tariff push in the West that may prove to be just as counterproductive as sanctions on Russia.

In June, the media reported that European governments were competing for Chinese financial attention. At the EU level, there was increasingly louder talk of import tariffs as the bloc tried to build its own transition supply chain very much from scratch in a bid to protect local industries from cheaper—and superior—Chinese tech. At the national capital level, however, money talked louder.

Hungary is one beneficiary of what the Financial Times reported was a “tsunami” of transition investments across the world. The central European country, which is often at odds with the central EU government in Brussels, hosts two South Korean battery plants and EV giant BYD has picked it for the location of its first European factory. Poland is another beneficiary of Chinese transition investment—China’s Leapmotor and its new joint venture partner, Stellantis, will build an EV factory there.

Meanwhile, BYD is also planning an EV factory in Mexico for the same reasons it is building one in Europe: the tariff push. Naturally, this tactic of setting up local production to beat the tariffs has raised Washington hackles. U.S. politicians are now trying to pressure Mexico into being less hospitable to Chinese investors, as Reuters reported in August. The pressure campaign worked, too, with the Mexican authorities refusing to provide Chinese EV investors with any incentives available to other carmakers. The problem: they could just take their business elsewhere.

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[–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The premise here makes no sense. "Tariffs backfire" because BYD wants to build a plant in Mexico. Mexico refuses to provide incentives to BYD because they don't want their business. "The problem (is BYD) can take their (unwanted) business elsewhere." How is that a problem for Mexico or the US, and if they can build superior products for a cheaper price, why do they need the incentives to begin with? What has backfired here?

Also, the line about sanctions on Russia being "counterproductive" seems pretty telling about the bias of the author and the agenda they're trying to push.

Irina Slav

Irina is a writer for Oilprice.com with over a decade of experience writing on the oil and gas industry.

[–] schizoidman@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago

That was mentioned in the OP article and my comment.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

this is not surprising, but still disappointing somehow; i had hoped my future career as a ride-share-driver-&-gig-delivery-driver would be somehow improved by ultra affordable EV's with lots of features to help sooth my soul crushed by my millennial career aspirations.

instead i'll be forced into life altering debt on american EV's with 75% of the capabilities that matter to me and at 2.5 times the cost just for the privilege of being a gig worker until the day i die because "china bad."

the worst part of it all is knowing this situation is perpetuated by this 1984-esque levels of nationally shared groupthink that ensures that life improving leftists changes; like truly affordable & practical EV's; will not happen for generations at the soonest as evidenced by leftist places like the lemmyverse being overrun by well-meaning-but-clueless majorities like .world who unwittingly and/or willfully perpetuate that groupthink that created a need for a leftist place to begin with.

[–] Bell@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Tariffs aren't necessary if we as consumers vote with our wallets to protect our home industries.

[–] whyrat@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Why protect a home industry that won't make the type of product I want? I don't want a giant electric SUV, eHummer, Ford Lightning truck, or whatever; I want a small electric car. The models that would compete with BYD are often being discontinued by domestic producers...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Volt

https://www.slashgear.com/1604210/why-bmw-i3-discontinued-what-happened/

There's still the Nissan Leaf I guess? And the ever-present promise of a cheap compact EV "coming soon" from many producers.

[–] Steve@communick.news 6 points 1 month ago

"If only everybody chose the thing that was worse for them, but better for everyone."
That's called magical thinking. A few individuals may choose to that, but never enough.
"A person is smart. People are dumb..." -K (Men in Black)

[–] MisterD@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes, let's buy from the fascist fruitcake.

[–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

So what you're saying is tariffs are necessary.