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[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 16 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

A child with one loving parent is better off than a child with any number of disgruntled uninvested parents.

A single mom who goes through all the effort that IVF requires is someone who REALLY wants children. That's someone who will appreciate the gift of parenthood and make sure that they don't waste it.

I'm more concerned with the children that were forced to be born against their parents' wishes. Those children will be seen as a burden that was forced upon their parents. They will be resented, and more likely to be neglected or abused. They will grow up never learning what love and kindness is, and they will take that hatred and spread it into the world, or give up on themselves and turn to drugs, or an abusive relationship.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Your 100% right I was not wanted and it showed by how I was raised and how I raised my children. I was a better father than my dad but not by much. It is hard to get away from the way you were raised to see the world and how there are better ways to parent.

 You also learn as an adult that there are better families and not ever home is this way.
[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 hours ago

That's the difference between my first and second marriage in a nutshell. Moving away (psychologically, not physically) from all the horrible shit I grew up with and thinking that was normal to having a better understanding of what I want to have in my life and some idea of how to get there.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 18 points 18 hours ago

My take?

It's none of my fucking business how other people procreate, how about that?

[–] Floey@lemm.ee 9 points 17 hours ago

It takes a village to raise a child, not a "mother" and "father" specifically. I do not idolize the hetero nuclear family.

[–] echo@lemmings.world 20 points 21 hours ago

I think it's none of my business...

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 10 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Kids primarily need loving parents, friends and a nice evironment to grow up in. The exact gender of their parents and if they have 1, 2 or 3 doesn't matter that much. Everything in life has its unique challenges. But I think a kid with 2 traditional, yet unloving parents isn't better off than a kid with one or two mothers who love it. So it's giving your kid what they need, that is important. Not how you "produced" them, or if you're a man.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 9 points 20 hours ago

I can't imagine how it's any of my business.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago

Just out of curiosity, how have you survived a full month on .ml?

[–] Nemo@slrpnk.net 5 points 18 hours ago

One of my friends and mentors did that. I used to nanny for her twins and they've grown up to be bright, ambitious, adventurous young women. I'm proud to know them.

[–] EvilCartyen@feddit.dk 4 points 18 hours ago

Two of my sisters are doing that, and they're lovely kids and will be surrounded by people who love them and will help them grow. So I think that's absolutely fine.

[–] 5ibelius9insterberg@feddit.org 7 points 21 hours ago

I think it's tougher for children to be left by one parent, than having a by-choice-single-parent. I think role models of any gender don't need to be your parents.

[–] Cagi@lemmy.ca 6 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Lesbian parents have been around for a long time. Some men can be pregnant and give birth. But I assume you mean the issue being that they'd be alone, not the lack of a male parent. Being a single parent when you weren't expecting to is hard. But of you're prepared and equipped for it, go nuts. IVF is given to awful married parents. The parents' aptitide isn't a factor for couples, why should a standard suddenly exist for single people?

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

My mom died when I was 12, but she was ill and not really participating in my life for much longer. There are some things that I missed out on because I didn’t have a maternal figure, but they’re pretty minor. For example, I learned as a 29 year old with D cups that there’s a difference between a sports bra and a bra without an underwire (exercise is much more comfortable now). People might disagree, but I don’t think that’s a huge deal not to know, and almost any adult woman as well as many men would have been able to tell me that, had I thought to ask.

I guess I’d say: if you’re raising a child alone or with a partner of the same gender, just get a comprehensive health/sex Ed teacher. Otherwise, I don’t think there’s much of a need for any specific gender in child raising.

[–] norimee@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Uhm... exuse me, but could you explain that life changing difference? I have honestly no idea.

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

You know how some bras are just made out of spandex/Lycra and have basically zero support?

I was wearing one of those for things like Morris dancing (think of worse Irish step dancing, basically a lot of hopping up and down), not realizing that it did nothing and was probably much more revealing than I intended.

An actual sports bra isn’t exactly uncomfortable, but it’s definitely not cozy to wear while lounging around the house. It’s much better for jumping though and keeps everything where it belongs.

[–] norimee@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Thank you. I always needed more support than these light and lacy bras can give you, so I was always going for more sturdy ones. But I don't think I ever owned a sportsbra, so your commemt had me stumped. Maybe its time to get one and test it.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

My take varies by case, but I don't think that children should be raised by a single person. Otherwise it could turn really nasty, like the child being alone most of the time, unsupported by any able-bodied adult (as their mum goes to work), effectively becoming the housemate for their breadwinning parent.

The situation is different however if the single woman is well supported by her family, living with them, and at least one of them is able to take responsibility for either bringing money in or taking care of the child as the mum is gone.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 1 points 10 hours ago

[Replying to myself to avoid editing the above.] I typically don't give a damn to downvotes but I'm wondering why they popped up in this case. So, just to be clear:

OP is asking specifically about single women and my answer talks about it, focusing on the fact that child raising is a bit too much for a single person. I am not talking about lesbian couples because they fall outside the scope of the question, my views on the later in this regard are the same as heterosexual couples.

(If the issue that people saw with my comment is something else, say it because I don't have a crystal ball.)

[–] flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz -1 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

I'm sure it will be tough for the mother in question, raising a child is not easy especially alone. But for many people who want children, it gives them a chance to achieve a huge goal in life. From the societal side, if the average birth rate is way below 2 per woman, the practice should be encouraged for purely practical reasons