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Donald Trump continues to suck up to the Russian president.

If Ukraine were to suddenly surrender to Russia, everything would be “much better,” at least according to Donald Trump.

During an afternoon press conference Wednesday, the Republican presidential nominee urged the Eastern European nation to submit to the foreign power, claiming that any deal, no matter how dismal for Ukraine’s freedom, would have been better than the current state of affairs.

“Ukraine is gone. It’s not Ukraine anymore. You can never replace those cities and towns, and you can never replace the dead people, so many dead people,” Trump said. “Any deal, even the worst deal, would have been better than what we have right now.


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[–] Soup@lemmy.cafe 6 points 7 hours ago

This is the art of the deal: give them everything they want, say it was the plan all along, and then brag how you won the negotiation.

[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 13 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

It didn't need to happen. It's your fault. Your skirt was a finger too short, Ukraine.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

Trump was happy enough to sell Ukraine a ton of weapons back in 2018, when Grimmer Bolton was whispering in his ear about playing both sides against the middle.

So much of this anti-war Trumpism is deeply cynical. He says this shit because the war is unpopular, but as soon as he's in the driver's seat he's going right back to the Nixon in Vietnam and Obama/Trump in Afghanistan strategy of dragging that shit out forever so he doesn't have to admit he lost.

People wax poetic about Trump being bad for Gaza. But this guy would be a nightmare for Europe more than anything. He's erratic, untrustworthy, and easily swayed.

I think Harris is shit on foreign policy, but I have no illusions about Trump immediately kicking off more conflicts internationally because one of his Beautiful Generals told him it would look cool to drop another fuel bomb or three.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago

I know we promissed to protect you from Russia explicitly when you gave up your nuclear deterents but that was like soooo long ago.

[–] RIPandTERROR@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 hours ago

They were basically asking for it

[–] Egg_Egg@lemm.ee 23 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Who really believes Russia will stop at their current claims? Once they achieve their current goals, they'll attack for more, and more, and more. The killing doesn't stop.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

We could find you some .ml users if your question wasn't rhetorical.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Hey, they're been doing it for 500 years straight, they gotta stop some day!

[–] MouseKeyboard@ttrpg.network 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

"Trump, I think that dictator is an imperialist! His Siberia is colonised, his Chechnya is colonised, and I'm pretty sure that Belarus is colonised!"

"A dictator who has lots of colonies is less likely to invade countries than a dictator whose colony supplies are low"

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 31 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

Well, he might be on to something.

I'm studying world history for the first time and I've so far gotten to 1938 and while I know absolutely nothing that happened after that, so far it looks like this suggestion has worked with this Hitler fellow.

[–] Egg_Egg@lemm.ee 12 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

The person Europe appeased eventually went on to go and shoot Hitler, afterall.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 6 points 12 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Egg_Egg@lemm.ee 6 points 12 hours ago

Sorry mate, I know with the remaster coming out soon that I should be careful with the spoilers.

[–] Soup@lemmy.cafe 1 points 7 hours ago

You’re not going to believe what happens in 1945.

[–] Baggins@feddit.uk 8 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I found and old encyclopedia at a car boot sale from around that time. Looked up Germany and it mentioned that 'Herr Hitler had done wonders for Germany's economy but wasn't very popular in some circles as they considered his views and policies were extreme.'

Another fun fact - Nazis were very popular with a lot of the British Royal family and the 'upper classes'. They were also supported by The Daily Mail newspaper, some things never change do they?

[–] b000rg@midwest.social 2 points 7 hours ago

Don't forget the American robber barons!

[–] laverabe@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

If Poland were to suddenly surrender to Germany, everything would be “much better,” at least according to Donald Trump.

During an afternoon press conference Wednesday, the Republican presidential nominee urged the Eastern European nation to submit to the foreign power, claiming that any deal, no matter how dismal for Poland’s freedom, would have been better than the current state of affairs.

Poland is gone. It’s not Poland anymore. You can never replace those cities and towns, and you can never replace the dead people, so many dead people,” Trump said. “Any deal, even the worst deal, would have been better than what we have right now.

It's scary how few words I had to replace to make that work. Appeasement of a genocidal dictator does not have a good historical track record.

[–] Boiglenoight@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world -1 points 10 hours ago

Tool or fool? It can be argued that all tools are fools which would most likely make all fools, tools.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

Trump doing his best Chamberlin impersonation?

So Kamela Harris is Churchill?

[–] Lemming421@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago

You can never replace those cities and towns

For someone who nominally has a fortune in real estate, he clearly doesn’t understand how construction works.

You absolutely can replace towns and cities, and someone is going to make a shitload of money doing just that once the conflict is over. The only question at the moment is whether they’re going to be Russians or westerners.

[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 10 points 14 hours ago

"you can never replace the dead people, so many dead people"

Jfc this guy somehow made it? How about, "we can never replace the countless lives lost in this war, or repair the families that have been broken"

Idk. Is it great? Nah, but I can type a thing in like 20 seconds and this orange potato just fuckin speaks like a middle school student. How the fuck

[–] UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee 13 points 16 hours ago

Ah, the negotiator /s

[–] wowwoweowza@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

Power of the pee pee video

[–] celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

That sounds like a strong American leader. Give those Russkies everything! The cold war will be over tomorrow!

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago

Hey, here, take Alaska back to!

[–] Mobiledecay@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago

He's Putins pretty lil puppet. 😊

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 24 points 23 hours ago

The Art of the Squeal

[–] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 8 points 20 hours ago

I have no words

[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 225 points 1 day ago (41 children)

Trumps plan to “solve russias war against ukraine” is to “give up”.

Is this the man you want leading your country?

Imagine FDR “solving ww2” by surrendering to japan and the nazis

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[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 80 points 1 day ago (8 children)

I know a Ukrainan born US citizen with a significant amount of family still living in Ukraine who is also a Trump supporter. He hates Russia and wants Ukraine to maintain independence. I asked him a couple of weeks ago what he thought would happen to Ukraine if Trump was reelected and he said Ukraine would probably be left to fend for themselves. This statement did not come with remorse or condemnation, it was delivered in the same way you would describe the winner of a sporting event. A simple statement of fact.

I don't know how to respond to that kind of thinking. If the understanding that your vote might lead to the death of your family members doesn't break through the political polarization in this country and make you reconsider then I don't think anything will.

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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Remember, that Putin has ambitions way beyond Ukraine. He will likely want the EU and NATO to pull out from CEE at minimum, if not those countries to join his empire in some way or another.

[–] Baggins@feddit.uk 4 points 11 hours ago

He has said he wants this back. And I think, especially this bit.

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