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I'm just wondering about the internal components on mall cop robots like the Knightscope K5. It must be using a GPU and some pretty nice cameras, right? These are common models found in the United States. I have worked closely with knockoff BD dogs, I'm not talking about those, I'm talking about the Dalek looking things.

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[–] Greg@lemmy.ca 36 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Just remember that abducted robot cops can sometimes remember their past even if you erase their memories. But good luck on your new project

[–] spacecadet@lemm.ee 11 points 1 month ago

Especially Cyberdyne systems, they are a learning computer.

[–] BreadOven@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

Inside what? I've never heard of this. They don't shoot people in the dick, do they?

[–] nebulaone@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

PBMCG (Paul Blart Mall Cop Graphics)

~sorry.~

[–] Thavron@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago

Jesus, the Knightscope K5 even looks like a Dalek.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The giant suppositories are usually using nvidia (like everyone else in ai). The cuda/tensor cores are just easier to tap than the AMD equivalent.

[–] CondensedPossum@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Have you seen a teardown or something like that anywhere?

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

nope. and you won't see that anywhere, either. those things are ridiculously expensive (and generally less capable than humans.). IfIxit can't exactly afford to buy one. (well. they could. probably. but it's a limited audience.)

I happen to have some inside knowledge on a particularly laughable suppository, though.

[–] independantiste@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

People throw electric scooters and bikes in lakes and rivers the day they are released in the wild, I'm sure someone would take one and see what's inside before throwing it in the water

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Are you really comparing a device that costs a hundred or two hundred dollars to buy in bulk and is an incredibly annoying nuisance to anyone who has to deal with them being left wherever the fuck the person driving them decides is 'good enough'.... to a robot that costs hundreds of thousands of dollars with decades of R&D behind them....??

In virtually every implementation, they're operated inside a security envelope that would help make it extremely difficult to steal. most of the robots have their own security team behind them, including people that will look for it when it is stolen.

Even if you do manage to lift a several-hundred-pound robot and run away with it; and get it to somewhere it's onboard telemetry (including GPS, camera and audio. Probably also ultrasonic) can't broadcast... and then get it someplace safe enough to do the tear down.... posting pictures on the internet may as well paint a target on their back. and just for the record, the painters are the kind of people who own companies like blackwater.

No, they probably won't send their goons after you. But you did just embarrass them...they ain't gonna take that lying down.

[–] independantiste@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago

Never underestimate crackheads and drunk people

[–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

My guess is that the most expensive single component would be the lidar. Prices on lidars can be well over $100k. When I worked with lidar about 5 years ago, IIRC a Velodyne 128 was $160k. These robots would probably be using a 32 though, which is probably going to be less than 1/4 of a 128.

Also, Velodyne and Ouster merged since I last used lidar. Ouster does in-device sensor fusion, which likely takes a significant load off the CPU and potentially GPU, meaning these robots may be able to get away with lower spec CPU and GPU.

It appears that Ouster now does object detection, which is another reason these could get away with lower spec GPUs (assuming they're using Ouster)

Obviously there's a lot of speculation in my response, but since there's no teardown of the robot, and without spec sheets or a BOM, all we can do is speculate.

[–] CondensedPossum@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Thanks for the actual input, people who haven't worked around this kind of hardware are mostly limited to goofing around like it's sci-fi when it's mostly John Deere style nonsense

[–] AlphaOmega@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Dang my $65 robot vacuum has lidar.

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Whatever it is, I’m sure it’s vulnerable to a short-range EMP burst. Just make sure to leave your phone and smartwatch at home.

Local municipalities only have so much in their budgets for this crap, and these things are very expensive. If enough of them fail/are destroyed/go missing forever… well, the local budget won’t be able to keep replacing them indefinitely…

[–] CondensedPossum@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

There aren't short-range EMP burst emitters, that's sci-fi pretend. These are real robot flashlight caddies they deploy at outdoor malls in Ohio.

[–] Greg@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I suppose a nuclear ICBM could be considered a long range EMP burst emitter. And a nuclear ICBM would be effective at disabling a robot cops but it's probably overkill.

[–] Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago

Even just a hand grenade is probably plenty. Or a particularly expensive firework.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

there is the thing you could do with a disposable camera but we are talking extreme short range. You would need to have an idea where to lay it if it even could get far enough to work and your watch phone would be fine in your pocket.

[–] CondensedPossum@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

well they did a very good job and managed to keep the joke going such that no one has outed them. The electronics they mess with though are very simple calculators and placed in the coil mostly. So even if it did work its at a range where its essentially useless.

[–] CondensedPossum@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

No clue what you're talking about at this point. I am talking about real tech that is currently deployed in middle America. I am not talking about pretend or fiction or MI-6 or whatever. Please.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

they are probably vulnerable to being stolen and stripped for parts.

probably some expensive shit in there.

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Just need to throw some foil on it and you've got a very expensive new buddy.