We've been using Linear in my latest company and it is actually quite good. No bullshit fast UI, boards, issues linking with Git, a support that can take a feature request that is often implemented in a week or two after asking it.

[–] Kissaki@programming.dev 2 points 5 hours ago

I've tried out Linear (only peeked into it) and it's the perfect contrast of performance against Jira.

[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 1 day ago (3 children)

jira made me quit software dev (not by its own, but a significant factor)

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 6 points 22 hours ago

I hate jira because it slots your work stupidly by the management, or so I feel it.

A manager usually works with time slots, say 8 a day (or whatever), they are all mostly disconnected, like do meeting with A, go to standup of team B, PMD for dev C etc etc. Dev isn't like that but everyone seems to start thinking it is: how many "items" was finalised last "sprint" etc and other stupid metrics.

Am I alone here or is there even worse things with jira in your opinions?

[–] AWittyUsername@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Azure Dev Ops and Azure Boards is even worse. Wish I could quit dev

[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 day ago

I feel you there too bud!

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Now imagine a very large company implementing that shit software for other kinds of engineering projects! Yey! Lot's of great engineers have quit because of it.

Jira, we'll brain drain your company and make it seem more productive!

Next thing you know....well the guy who understood that is no longer here. But we can take our best guess.... should the door pop inward or outward during a flight?

[–] Alph4d0g@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 1 day ago

They have a predatory business model. "Hey we're cheaper than the competition". Once you're soaking in it and need features, they have options but it'll cost you. I reckon they have slick sales people who know how to pander to the egos of middle management as well. You know ... The people who don't actually have to use the tool but sure like to feel like they somehow matter.

[–] KellysNokia@lemmy.world 66 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

All my homies hate agile, Jira, scrum, kanban, etc.

In truth none of these items are inherently wrong - what's wrong is leadership picking up new tools and adopting management structures expecting them to solve fundamental organizational issues.

Instead they only serve to magnify the outcomes of your existing corporate culture.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 8 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

It's funny that "Individuals and interactions over processes and tools" is the first of the tenets of agile and the most ignored. I think most people's frustrations with agile are from people worrying too much about processes and tools.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Scrum/Agile has 2 advantages over waterfall.

things that don't work get stopped early, without stigma.
the team works together towards an overall goal, it is not individuals working on individual tasks.

The "agile" tools themselves rarely encourage either of these practices.

Jira

assigns tasks to individuals.
treats closed and cancelled differently.

[–] mogranja@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

I think you hit the main issue right there. Devs don't hate the tool, they hate that the tool doesn't solve the issue. Like trying to drill a hole with a screw and a hammer.

[–] JustLookingForDigg@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago

Strong agree! It drives me crazy how much hate scrum agile gets because when it's implemented intelligently I've found it really helps align everyone's expectations (I'm a dev)

[–] Hupf@feddit.org 40 points 1 day ago

Want issues?

Start with Jira

[–] GreenSofaBed@lemmy.zip 51 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I use Teams and Jira, and I can't even imagine the amount of wasted time when I click anything in either of them and nothing happens for a good while, just waiting around.

[–] KellysNokia@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you press F12 and look at the network calls you can see the insane amount of analytics they are sending for every twitch of the mouse

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago

Why? What do these do?

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Jira is a masterpiece compared to the dumpster fire that is Teams.

[–] toddestan@lemm.ee 13 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Maybe the old, discontinued on-premise version. The cloud version of JIRA is a huge step back.

With that said, Teams is not a good product either.

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[–] bappity@lemmy.world 124 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

yeah sure, happy teams start with jira but they end up as angry and sad teams

[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 105 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Yeah, we were also once happy.

And then we started using Jira.

RIP

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[–] theyllneverfindmehere@lemmy.world 77 points 2 days ago (26 children)

For those complaining about Jira... I used to be one of you. After changing jobs and using several alternatives, I am begging to be back on Jira. Manage Engine is currently the bane of my existence.

[–] leisesprecher@feddit.org 39 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That might very well be the case, however, why are all of these apps so incredibly bad?

Jira especially seems like the definition of feature creep. It's more bloated than a lactose intolerant child after a tub of ice cream.

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[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 41 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I absolutely love how this implies that the team is happy before going to Jira.

so not only can Atlassian not write software, they can't develop a usable product, and they can't even market it without insinuating how shitty it is.

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[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Idk man, better than a post it Kanban... which is where I came from.

If Jira is shit, it's not Jira, it's your Manager. It takes some effort to learn and use, but when it's set up and maintained, it helps a lot, especially for Virtual Teams.

Edit: But their Ai is shit. They gave it for free and now want to charge money for it. Nah bro, not for that retard.

[–] Kissaki@programming.dev 1 points 5 hours ago

The UI and UX is shit. Performance is shit. It's not only about configuration.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, jira is going alright for us at work, but there are a lot of supporting people maintaining it and prioritizing things in meetings that we engineers don’t have to attend.

Everybody gangs up on hating Teams instead!

[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Teams and the entire Office-Package is pure pain on Linux. We have mixed OS (based on preference) but we all use Office and it's a dread for our SW-Department. =[

[–] Zink@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I know teams is probably the most hated product in tech savvy corporate America, but I do at least give MS credit that I can let it live in a Firefox tab and my audio & video work fine for meetings.

But when anybody tries to use a Teams-equipped conference room? Whoo boy!

[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

I think it's because Skype was on that level 10 years ago until it got the Microsoft Enshit-Treatment.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Audio working in Teams? If I accept a call and then plug in my worthless usb headset, it just doesn't function.

One time out of five or ten to be generous, making a room and inviting just 1 person just foesnt work either, gotta call up a third person to make the sound work.

I mean how hard can it be ...

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago

I think I need to compliment our IT department. I have experienced 0 problems with teams. Sometimes my network quality falls, but I just switch to my phone and everything continues.

Disclaimer: Never used the captions, meeting summary etc. Just the basics

[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 57 points 2 days ago

“Atlassian - for when you want make your security team really work”

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