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Because of something I did during an anthropology lecture, I learned the hard way to read the "The following packages will be REMOVED" list when upgrading a package to backports in Debian GNU + Linux. (lemmy.ca)
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  1. I upgraded pipewire from stable to backports (I want to know ~~if this is related to my problem~~ why essential packages were removed)
Start-Date: 2024-09-18  14:59:02
Commandline: apt install libpipewire-0.3-0/bookworm-backports
Requested-By: dullbananas (1000)
Install: libpulsedsp:amd64 (16.1+dfsg1-2+b1, automatic), pulseaudio:amd64 (16.1+dfsg1-2+b1, automatic), pulseaudio-utils:amd64 (16.1+dfsg1-2+b1, automatic), libasound2-plugins:amd64 (1.2.7.1-1, automatic), policykit-1-gnome:amd64 (0.105-8, automatic), pulseaudio-module-bluetooth:amd64 (16.1+dfsg1-2+b1, automatic), libspeexdsp1:amd64 (1.2.1-1, automatic)
Upgrade: libspa-0.2-modules:amd64 (0.3.65-3+deb12u1, 1.2.3-1~bpo12+1), libpipewire-0.3-0:amd64 (0.3.65-3+deb12u1, 1.2.3-1~bpo12+1)
Remove: pipewire-pulse:amd64 (0.3.65-3+deb12u1), pipewire-audio-client-libraries:amd64 (0.3.65-3+deb12u1), t2-apple-audio-dsp-speakers161:amd64 (0.2.0-1), gnome:amd64 (1:43+1), gnome-remote-desktop:amd64 (43.3-1), pipewire:amd64 (0.3.65-3+deb12u1), gnome-shell-extensions:amd64 (43.1-1), gnome-shell:amd64 (43.9-0+deb12u2), pipewire-tests:amd64 (0.3.65-3+deb12u1), gdm3:amd64 (43.0-3), libspa-0.2-jack:amd64 (0.3.65-3+deb12u1), libspa-0.2-bluetooth:amd64 (0.3.65-3+deb12u1), pipewire-jack:amd64 (0.3.65-3+deb12u1), gstreamer1.0-pipewire:amd64 (0.3.65-3+deb12u1), t2-apple-audio-dsp-mic:amd64 (0.4.0-1), pipewire-audio:amd64 (0.3.65-3+deb12u1), pipewire-bin:amd64 (0.3.65-3+deb12u1), chrome-gnome-shell:amd64 (42.1-3), task-gnome-desktop:amd64 (3.73), gnome-session:amd64 (43.0-1+deb12u1), gnome-browser-connector:amd64 (42.1-3), gnome-core:amd64 (1:43+1), libpipewire-0.3-modules:amd64 (0.3.65-3+deb12u1), wireplumber:amd64 (0.4.13-1), gnome-shell-extension-prefs:amd64 (43.9-0+deb12u2), pipewire-alsa:amd64 (0.3.65-3+deb12u1)
End-Date: 2024-09-18  14:59:35

Start-Date: 2024-09-18  14:59:43
Commandline: apt install libpipewire-0.3-modules/bookworm-backports
Requested-By: dullbananas (1000)
Install: libconfig++9v5:amd64 (1.5-0.4, automatic), libxml++2.6-2v5:amd64 (2.40.1-3, automatic), libpipewire-0.3-modules:amd64 (1.2.3-1~bpo12+1), libffado2:amd64 (2.4.7-1, automatic)
End-Date: 2024-09-18  14:59:48

Start-Date: 2024-09-18  14:59:57
Commandline: apt install pipewire/bookworm-backports
Requested-By: dullbananas (1000)
Install: pipewire:amd64 (1.2.3-1~bpo12+1), pipewire-bin:amd64 (1.2.3-1~bpo12+1, automatic), wireplumber:amd64 (0.4.13-1, automatic)
End-Date: 2024-09-18  15:00:02
  1. I suspended the computer, and after resume, the lock screen was broken:
  • When I clicked on the password field, the text cursor only appeared for a split second, and I could not type in it
  • Clicking on the user switch button on the bottom right corner did nothing
  • A few times, the text "Authentication error" randomly appeared for a split second, probably for 1 frame
  • No way to reboot the normal way, because I could only use the power menu on the lock screen, which only has suspend
  1. I used the power button to reboot, and instead of GNOME, there was darkness
Debian GNU/Linux 12 dullbananas-macbookpro161 tty1

dullbananas-macbookpro161 login:
  1. I downgraded pipewire to stable
Start-Date: 2024-09-18  15:20:16
Commandline: apt install pipewire/stable
Requested-By: dullbananas (1000)
Downgrade: pipewire:amd64 (1.2.3-1~bpo12+1, 0.3.65-3+deb12u1), pipewire-bin:amd64 (1.2.3-1~bpo12+1, 0.3.65-3+deb12u1), libspa-0.2-modules:amd64 (1.2.3-1~bpo12+1, 0.3.65-3+deb12u1), libpipewire-0.3-modules:amd64 (1.2.3-1~bpo12+1, 0.3.65-3+deb12u1), libpipewire-0.3-0:amd64 (1.2.3-1~bpo12+1, 0.3.65-3+deb12u1)
End-Date: 2024-09-18  15:20:26
  1. I ran dpkg --verify and got this output
??5??????   /lib/modules/6.10.9-1-t2-bookworm/modules.alias
??5??????   /lib/modules/6.10.9-1-t2-bookworm/modules.alias.bin
??5??????   /lib/modules/6.10.9-1-t2-bookworm/modules.dep
??5??????   /lib/modules/6.10.9-1-t2-bookworm/modules.dep.bin
missing     /usr/share/dbus-1/services/io.snapcraft.Prompt.service
??5?????? c /etc/systemd/logind.conf
??5?????? c /etc/tlp.conf
??5??????   /lib/modules/6.10.8-1-t2-bookworm/modules.alias
??5??????   /lib/modules/6.10.8-1-t2-bookworm/modules.alias.bin
??5??????   /lib/modules/6.10.8-1-t2-bookworm/modules.dep
??5??????   /lib/modules/6.10.8-1-t2-bookworm/modules.dep.bin
??5?????? c /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf
missing     /etc/os-release.debootstrap
??5??????   /lib/modules/6.10.7-1-t2-bookworm/modules.alias
??5??????   /lib/modules/6.10.7-1-t2-bookworm/modules.alias.bin
??5??????   /lib/modules/6.10.7-1-t2-bookworm/modules.dep
??5??????   /lib/modules/6.10.7-1-t2-bookworm/modules.dep.bin
  1. I reinstalled systemd (not sure if this made a difference)
Start-Date: 2024-09-18  15:48:58
Commandline: apt install --reinstall systemd
Requested-By: dullbananas (1000)
Reinstall: systemd:amd64 (252.30-1~deb12u2)
End-Date: 2024-09-18  15:49:02
  1. I reinstalled gdm3, and immediately without me doing anything else, there was GNOME instead of darkness
Start-Date: 2024-09-18  15:51:49
Commandline: apt install --reinstall gdm3
Requested-By: dullbananas (1000)
Install: gnome-remote-desktop:amd64 (43.3-1, automatic), gnome-shell:amd64 (43.9-0+deb12u2, automatic), power-profiles-daemon:amd64 (0.12-1+b1, automatic), gdm3:amd64 (43.0-3), gstreamer1.0-pipewire:amd64 (0.3.65-3+deb12u1, automatic), chrome-gnome-shell:amd64 (42.1-3, automatic), gnome-session:amd64 (43.0-1+deb12u1, automatic), gnome-browser-connector:amd64 (42.1-3, automatic), gnome-shell-extension-prefs:amd64 (43.9-0+deb12u2, automatic)
Remove: tlp:amd64 (1.5.0-2), tlp-rdw:amd64 (1.5.0-2)
End-Date: 2024-09-18  15:52:05

  1. End of class

  2. I reinstalled tlp because installing gdm3 removed it

  3. After selecting an app search result, instead of a new window opening, an existing window was focused, and this led to me discovering that my built-in extensions were gone

  4. While writing this post, I got the idea of using the list of removed packages in the apt history log output from apt install libpipewire-0.3-0/bookworm-backports to see what packages to install again, so I did that, then I also had to uninstall firefox-esr again

  5. I rebooted, and my built-in extensions and other stuff were resurrected, so now I have full redemption

  6. Another Window Session Manager restored my windows in a way that pissed me off

(Failed attempts of recovery are not listed)

Edit: actually I made the mistake 1 minute before the start of class

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[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 4 points 7 minutes ago

1 minute before class: the perfect time to mess with Linux audio and video drivers.

[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 2 points 17 minutes ago* (last edited 14 minutes ago) 
Debian GNU/Linux 12 dullbananas-macbookpro161 tty1

dullbananas-macbookpro161 login:

What more do you need?!

Lol but seriously,

Remove: ...gnome-shell...

That'll do it.

You should consider setting up btrfs w/ Timeshift.

[–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 9 points 5 hours ago

This guy doesnt use tabs

[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 3 points 5 hours ago

At least you got to multi-user.target. I've done worse to my arch system that needed an entire chroot reinstall

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 16 points 8 hours ago

yum history undo last

There's a colossal amount of work that goes into making that command usable and reliable, and I'm glad to say the yum-adjacent distros are still putting in the effort. That may change, but so far it's been there to save my bacon when I need it.

[–] mvirts@lemmy.world 9 points 8 hours ago

Congratulations 🎉 Nice work figuring it out.

Gotta love the idea that when you uninstall a package all the packages that depend on it must be removed for consistency.

Out of curiosity, what were you looking to gain from the pipewire upgrade?

[–] superkret@feddit.org 30 points 11 hours ago

When you do a dist-upgrade on anything but the stable main repos, you're on your own.

[–] flashgnash@lemm.ee 84 points 14 hours ago (5 children)

And this is why you don't update your system while in the middle of something you need it for

[–] littlewonder@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Where's the fun in that? You've gotta raw dog life to get your blood pumping.

^Hey, ^why ^are ^my ^prod ^credentials ^revoked? ^Guys?

[–] that_leaflet@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

I used to update my laptop in class because my school's WiFi was so much faster than my home internet.

[–] turbowafflz@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

This is why I love ostree distributions so much for my laptop. Not only can I safely update in class, I once switched distributions twice in one day of classes with only like 30s of total downtime, I just waited for the professor to go off on a tangent I didn't need to take notes about so I could reboot.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 9 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Two things to change if you switch from Ubuntu to Debian:

  1. Add the systray icon extension from Ubuntu.
  2. Don't, please don't, forget to turn off auto updates
[–] sep@lemmy.world 7 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

What is wrong with your system that requires disabeling updates?
Been running debian stable on a few hundred servers for 25 ish years.
And I always install and enable unattended upgrades. And it have never been a problem. Not even once.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 2 points 4 hours ago

When you boot up for a meeting and have to wait 10 minutes for updates to finish. Too much like Windows.

[–] electricprism@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

True, I still think it's fair to criticize the package managers and distros for not anticipating this common scenario and having the ability to roll back easily. How many millions of Linux users have experienced this issue? I'll bet a few.

Debian, Gentoo come from another generation and sometimes it shows, I mean snapshots weren't even a thing yet AFAIK.

[–] nyan@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 hours ago

Actually, I don't think you could break a system in quite this way in Gentoo these days. Portage generally doesn't remove packages during upgrades (certainly not unrelated ones that would break the depgraph!). It would have exited with (in this case) a message about version conflicts before changing any packages and left it for the user to sort out. Modern versions of portage do a pretty good job of keeping you from shooting yourself in the foot by accident, while leaving you with a lot of leeway for doing so on purpose.

[–] Boxscape@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

There's something very appropriate of you using all those (system) tools during an anthropology lecture.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 82 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Good person! This is how you learn Linux and gain experience. Trying to understand why something happened and trying to fix it using that understanding. Not "just reinstall" or worse "you should use X distro instead."

[–] 0xD@infosec.pub 9 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

And for the full Linux experience do it at the perfect moment, such as when you're in a lecture or customer presentation!

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 hours ago

Bystanders in fearful respect

[–] 30p87@feddit.org 39 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

As long as you can log into a shell and get root permissions, everything's fine.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 9 hours ago

as long as you have access to the boot drive everything's fine, just varying degrees of painful to rectify.

[–] flashgnash@lemm.ee 19 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (3 children)

On nixos i managed to uninstall nix (package manager), remove my user account, git, ls, WiFi drivers and basically everything else

I can't remember how I rescued it now but managed to get it back without a reinstall

[–] Sickday@kbin.earth 6 points 9 hours ago

I can't remember how I rescued it now but managed to get it back without a reinstall

You could've booted into a previous generation where you still had all those things on your system. The glory of atomic distros :)

[–] lupec@lemm.ee 2 points 8 hours ago

Damn, I didn't even realize that was doable lol. At least the nix part, the rest definitely sounds like stuff I might've accidentally done myself while learning the ropes.

[–] Chewy7324@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 13 hours ago

I really wonder how you managed to uninstall nix. Editing configuration.nix shouldn't even allow for removing .nix...

Anyway, this post made me remember why I used btrfs for my new btrfs system.

[–] Mwa@lemm.ee 17 points 14 hours ago

kinda love how you used gnome with macbook it fits soo well

[–] TheyCallMeHacked@discuss.tchncs.de 41 points 17 hours ago

This has some "yes do as I say" vibes

[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 15 hours ago

That's why it's a good idea to take a btrfs snapshot before updating or changing things. Snapshots are almost instant and sure save a lot of work if you break something.

[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 3 points 10 hours ago

So I got this error alot with elementaryOS doing exactly what you did. And it was always some dependency like lightDM not initiating properly.

[–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 17 hours ago

Nala brings dnf-style history and undo to Debian and Ubuntu. Highly recommend.

[–] electricprism@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

This was definitely one of my least favorite things when I used Debian.

It shows that we need to think about how users are performing tasks and how to intuitively make their usage more successful. The OS should try to get out of the way and always have the ability to easily revert in the case of platform failure.

[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 3 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

There should be an undo oopsies feature you can turn on and off somewhere so in terminal when I accidentally rm -f * the entire system doesn't eat it's own tail.

[–] electricprism@lemmy.ml 1 points 34 minutes ago

This is a fascinating concept.

If files are removed from the Index it would only seem natural that they can be undeleted until their physical address is recycled and overwritten.

In fact I remember something like this pre Windows 95 era where files were crossed out. Undeleting them was like magic.

This is why the windows term "Recycle" is more appropriate because the data remains until the space is reused or zero'd out.

This is the kind of reexamining we need, does our current iteration make sense from an engineering perspective or is it just a evolution of a bunch of archaic stuff from a time that doesn't represent the present tech world at all.

I would be okay with replacing rm with recycle and shred as their function is more clear in the name.

[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

While that sounds good it would be extremely complex to actually implement. The only real-world feature like this is btrfs snapshots (or filesystem snapshots generally). The good thing is that snapshots only store the difference in data and so they don't have to take up much space.

[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago

I still have to set mine up for my laptop. I'm using mine for dev use raw. No protection. Or backups

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 15 hours ago

I feel you. I once was messing around with python and realized I had too many python versions installed for no reason, so I uninstalled them all to install a single one.

Oh the pain.

[–] 3w0@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

A fellow anthropologist using linux in the wild! There's dozens of us! :)

[–] dullbananas@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 hours ago

The class is for a general studies requirement and I don't like it that much

[–] bl_r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 17 hours ago

That’s a fun mistake to make. I had a similar thing happen with Kubuntu uninstalling my GPU drivers. I could never figure out what caused it.

[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 3 points 15 hours ago

just make sure you have backups and stuff like this doesn't matter

[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 3 points 16 hours ago

Sounds like you've had something to learn after all.

[–] Korne127@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago

(Failed attempts of recovery are not listed)

~~Would be interesting though~~

[–] astrsk@fedia.io 3 points 16 hours ago

Eh, at least you can still take notes very easily and reinstall DE later.

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