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[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 94 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I swear the number of car-brained people who have told me (when discussing a pedestrian or child death in a car):

Well what were they doing in the road???

Why the FUCK does it matter what they were doing in the road. I don't care where the parents were. I don't care what they were doing there. There is no excuse, I don't care if it's the freaking freeway, if you see someone you stop. But these people can't even see over their hoods so they have no clue there's even someone there, so they've shifted all blame to the other person. It couldn't be my fault, it must be there's!

Fuck I'm so mad at them, and the auto industry is also to blame for promoting that way of thinking. "If you're in an auto accident, your family will be safe. Just fuck those other people right?)

It's America's selfishness, just blatantly on display.

[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 30 points 2 months ago (13 children)

The 93 ford ranger was perfect. I hate these fucking abominations we have now and I think industry grossly underestimated the demand for a sensible pickup

[–] nirodhaavidya@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yep, first gen Tacoma is perfect in my mind. The new tacos are bigger than the F150 was! Why!? It's ridiculous.

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

Why!?

Because bigger vehicles can simply ignore various regulatory and efficiency requirements.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 12 points 2 months ago (5 children)

And no modern truck owners remember those little trucks. They think being a truck owner means you have to have the biggest most ridiculous truck out there. Personally, I'd love it there was a smaller ranger sized EV truck. I'd buy one of those tomorrow if they gave up on massive monsteosities

[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'd buy the shit out of a plugin hybrid the size of a 93 ranger

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 8 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Sorry, in America they tell you what you want, and they're telling us you don't actually want that. (And don't you dare try to import one from Europe or somewhere else, they made that illegal)

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[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 2 months ago

I had a 93 Ranger and I miss it a lot. It had an aftermarket moonroof that also leaked like a sieve, but man I loved that little truck. Good size for actual utility.

I rolled it years ago, unfortunately.

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[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I watch Berm Peak (formerly seths bike hacks) and he recently did a video on a large expensive cargo bike intended for commuting with two kids.

He commented on the high price and safety features, and the large amount of time and resources spent on design to make it safe for anyone you might run into (as it's large, unwieldy, and heavy as hell compared to normal bikes) and he in passing comments "but no-one wants to spend on keeping anyone else safe" and my jaw just dropped.

Everyone. Everyone wants to spend on that. Everyone who isn't a goddamn psychopath who ignores the fact that you or someone you care about is just as likely to be on either end of such an accident.

Is that really just the default way to think in the states? I'll spend on my survival, but no-one elses?

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Welcome to the soul rot that has infected American culture

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[–] cordlesslamp@lemmy.today 56 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Why Americans always complain about gas prices, then go ahead and choose the most inefficient vehicles?

[–] Zink@programming.dev 22 points 2 months ago

Like with so many things, especially in the US, it seems to me the people complaining most loudly about it are the ones doing everything they can to make the problem worse for themselves.

[–] SirDerpy@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

There's like 340 million of us. Lots of us are idiots. Some aren't.

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[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 56 points 2 months ago

I like the title, I like the framing, but unfortunately it's a nothing burger. They need to close the SUV/truck loophole and regulate vehicle size directly.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 51 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Pedestrians: "can you please make your cars a little safer for us?"

US carmakers:

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Too low to the ground, they might be able see a child in front of them.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Good point, how about this?

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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

When you snort so much iron oxide that the only notes you have on car design is "bigger! BIGGER! ADD SPIKES! "

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[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 40 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The rules announced this week would update the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS), the government’s bible for everything that’s required in a new vehicle before it’s sold — from steering wheels to rearview mirrors — to set testing procedures to simulate head-to-hood impact, with the aim of reducing head injuries. If enacted, automakers will have to test their vehicles using crash test dummies representing adult and child pedestrians for the first time. NHTSA says the changes could save up to 67 lives every year.

And they expect people to stop making trucks because of pedestrian crash testing? Seems unlikely.

At least this isn't relying on sensors or some other nonsense. Though it might be nice to require things like visibility requirements so people driving Rams could actually see the children they're flattening.

[–] warm@kbin.earth 9 points 2 months ago

It's a start, there's obviously a long way to go for road safety in the US, but every little step helps.

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[–] Nobilmantis@feddit.it 39 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Never in its 50-plus years in existence has the regulator issued new rules for automakers requiring them to change their vehicle designs to better prevent pedestrian fatalities.

Found the problem

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 26 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Truck / SUV drivers like : "What pedestrians???"

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 8 points 2 months ago

I walked past a fcking ram the other day and i could barely see over the bonnet.

I'm a grown fucking woman at 170cm, well above the average.

[–] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Personally, I have to haul heavy loads across the whole country.

You know what would work better for that though?

Trains. High speed electric trains.

I do not like having to pay off this expensive ass truck.

[–] Elkenders@feddit.uk 25 points 2 months ago (17 children)

Why are trucks so popular in the us? What do you guys need to often put in the back?

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Nothing. But you never know...

Meanwhile in Europe:

How am I ever going to carry a couch on my bicycle? Haha, silly me. I don't carry couches. (Or I'd just spend a whooping 80 euros to rent a van for a few hours)

[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There are many reasons: marketing propaganda, sexism, insecurity, politics, and selfishness. Americans are seemingly very susceptible to propaganda and marketing has convinced people that the type of products and brands we consume define who we are.

Sexusm. They have tricked us into believing that small cars are feminine and that huge trucks are for manly, rugged, outdoorsy types.

Insecurity. Even if someone realizes that judging people based on what vehicle they drive is stupid, lots of people are very insecure and are worried other people will judge them for driving a small car.

Politics. Leftists advocated for smaller cars because they care about urbanism, pedestrian fatalities, and the environment. In response, conservatives have turned large tank sized vehicles in a conservative political statement.

Selfishness. Engineering can only do so much to cheap physics so bigger / heavier vehicles are a little safer for the passengers of the larger vehicle when crashing into smaller cars but at the cost of the safety of the smaller car. It is far from a 1 to 1 exchange, large vehicles greatly increase the traffic fatality rates, but large pickup owners don't give a shit about the safety of others. They have no love for their fellow countrymen which means they have no love for their country.

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[–] TedZanzibar@feddit.uk 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I don't remember exactly but it's something to do with new ~~safety and emissions~~ fuel efficiency regulations brought about in the 90s(?) that would fine manufacturers who didn't meet the new standards. "Light trucks" such as the F150 were exempt so manufacturers started pushing those hard as the fashionable choice.

Fast forward 30 years, the regulations haven't changed, and here we are. There's a good video about it somewhere...

Yeah here we go: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jN7mSXMruEo

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[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There is a lot of ego to it as well. You aren't a "real man" if you don't drive a truck. People assume they see a truck, thats a hard working real man right there, even if it is just some guy driving to his desk job that doesn't need 500+ hp and 4000lbs towing capacity. I can't remember which company but a truck manufactuer surveyed people with pictures of men next to cars or trucks and the truck scored higher in things like resourcefulness, trust, reliability. And when the exact same guy is pictured next to cars, he scored lower in the same categories. Even some women get trapped in this ego thinking they are tough with stickers like "silly boys, trucks are for girls". Trucks aren't for a specific gender, they are for hauling bulky loads or towing. .

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[–] UsefulInfoPlz@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Since the 1950’s, particularly in rural america, it’s been common for a family to have 1 truck and 1 car. Cars have become less desirable in these areas over time. Everyone wants a truck. There’s more to it in rural areas like where i live. Our roads suck. It rains a lot. The closest town is an hr away. I use my truck every day to haul, tow, and get to where i need to be. Couple that with i’m a big guy. And i’m not young. Getting in and out of an average car is a challenge. Riding in an average car for more than a short time is torture. I never asked for trucks to get huge. I never asked for 400+ hp. I would gladly trade these big, tall trucks for trucks the size they were in the 80’s with enough power to pull my trailer and get decent economy. But for some reason that’s not an option. I just bought a new Ram with the base 3.0 turbo. It’s very impressive. We took a 1k mile trip and averaged 22mpg. That’s impressive as well. But i remember an Isuzu Pup diesel in the 80’s getting 38mpg. It was slow. It smelled like diesel. But it ran for 300k miles needing nothing but a clutch. There were some futile attempts recently at putting diesels back in 1/2 ton trucks, but come on. Toe nail clippings for engines that had zero reliability across the board. I guess for me, the summary is I have to have a truck. I can’t afford 2 vehicles. There are many people in this country in the same situation. I do think there’s a market for economical trucks over these modern monsters but until manufacturers start listening, we’re stuck with what we have. On the other hand, all vehicles are doing better with their safety systems. From a pedestrian perspective, that is going to be a bigger help than anything. It doesn’t matter what a person is driving if they are not paying attention.

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It's the ultimate result of Society being nothing more than Consumer Society: weak minded individuals after a lifetime of being made to feel inadequate by Adverts are led by Adverts into feeling (all car adverts nowadays use techniques from Psychology to manipulate people at a subconscious level, not logic to convince them, so the push to buy comes via what people feel about certain products) that an oversized car will make them look important and irresistible to the opposite sex.

In places were people feel that Society (the part that exists beyond just the Consumer bit) frowns on people running around with big trucks it's harder for Adverts to induce such feelings.

Mind you, living in the Europ I'm pretty happy that at this point in time the impression that people here have of America is pretty low, so people don't have as much the "I want to be like an American" effect that would otherwise push "American practices" (what people think they are from what they see on TV) here.

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[–] coffee_with_cream@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Tax by weight

No excuses

No exceptions

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[–] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The full size pickups today have horrible sight lines. I own two pickups, one is a '95 F150 and one is a '05 Super Duty. Even the 10 years between the two of those trucks brought a huge difference in sight lines, but surprisingly the situational awareness is better in the '05. Harder to see a child in front of the truck but much easier to see anything to the sides and rear. Camera and backup sensors on the '05, in addition to MUCH better mirrors.

I've driven a modern pickup and it "feels" as big as it is. I think the hood height was nearly 4ft. Situational awareness is OK in them because of good mirrors and a camera but that front profile is insane.

[–] NomenCumLitteris@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I just went and measured the front of my F250 and was surprised it was 49in tall. That's 1.2m+. The '22 I drove is only a few inches taller but it sure seemed bigger. Maybe it had a lift in the front, I don't know.

quick edit: that drawing seems a little off though, the LOS drawn assumes the driver sights directly down the hood and being almost 6' tall my eyes view the side window about 3in below the top frame of the door. I can't go check how far out my first view of the ground is because my driveway is sloped.

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago

Finally some sense in the regulators. Something like the Hummer EV and Cybertruck shouldn't be legal.

[–] anarcho_blinkenist@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I didn't see the community and was already primed to say no half measures! abolish cars! and instead have functioning public transport (and if elon musk sabotages it like he did with california high speed rail he gets launched into the mars on his own garbage shuttle). Then there can also be housing layouts that aren't atomizing and reactionary social-engineering projects to facilitate white flight and capital extraction from cities like the hellscape that is the suburbs; where people are conditioned to give money to the chemical/chemical-weapons companies who invented the concept of "lawn weed" and to fossil fuel industries to pollutively wastefully mow and always forever re-mow their sterile mediocre lawns so theyre 'too busy [with pointless busywork] to be a communist'

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Lawns are the one of the most watered crop in america, and we don't even eat them. Lawns should be completely banned from places with water shortages as a start and replaced with drought resistant native plants.

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[–] buzz86us@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

The easy way would be to repeal the chicken tax.

[–] quoll@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

new culture war just dropped: them femocrats is going to take away your truck...

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