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Debate wrap up: No one has ever so thoroughly dominated Donald Trump (talkingpointsmemo.com)

submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world

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She set a tone at the very start when she walked right into his space to shake his hand and made him almost pull back into himself in response. She was in charge and never stopped being in charge.

Harris also managed what neither Joe Biden nor Hillary Clinton nor any of the 2016 Republicans managed to do which is successfully bait Donald Trump and get under his skin. Within a few minutes Trump was visibly angry and not in a way that empowered him but in a way that made him lose focus, go down rabbit holes and generally go off onto damaging tangents. Spittle anger, not righteous anger, shall we say.

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[–] MisterCrisper@lemmy.world 223 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Kamala Harris dominated the debate despite the fact that she was given about 5 minutes less time to speak!

It's disappointing to see how the media invariably accommodates Trump. Contrary to the rules of the debate, when Trump continued talking after his time was up or demanded to respond to a point Harris made, they often let him by not muting his microphone. This added up to right around 5 minutes of extra speaking time on prime time television for him to spew his lies. The one time Harris tried the same thing she was shut down by the moderators. If there is any silver lining here it's that Trump probably made his debate performance worse by talking more!

I was glad to see some push back and fact checking by the moderators in regards to Trump's most egregious lies. Today MAGA is complaining that the debate was rigged and the moderators were against Trump due to the fact checks while they should be thanking ABC for the special treatment that allowed Trump extra air time.

Go Harris/Walz!

[–] Infynis@midwest.social 118 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The one time Harris tried the same thing she was shut down by the moderators.

And she didn't even put up with that. She just waited until her next turn, went back, said her part, and then answered the new question. Trump was basically incoherent by comparison

[–] Landless2029@lemmy.world 84 points 2 months ago (2 children)

And she only did it to counter a bold face lie he said about herself.
Not 10 minutes before she stated that she did not ban fracking, will not ban fracking and made the tie breaking vote in favor of fracking.
But he still says "shes going to ban fracking if elected" like dude WTH. Are you paying attention?

[–] frezik@midwest.social 69 points 2 months ago (4 children)

And I, for one, would love it if she actually banned fracking. But that's not an argument that Trump World can make.

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 156 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (24 children)

As one who is 100% on the democratic side, I think Harris obviously won the debate.
But I'm very curious about what Republicans think? Do they think Trump made a good response saying he didn't need a plan because he isn't president?
I was a bit disappointed Harris didn't attack him on the fact that it's been more than 8 years now since Trump said he would come up with a better healthcare plan. Stressing the 8 years, and the result being still nothing. So a concept of a plan for Trump seems to mean he has NOTHING!

But still, do Republicans view this as Trump did OK?

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 121 points 2 months ago (9 children)

From what I've been seeing around the internet, Republicans are convinced that the debate was rigged. Harris was given the questions in advance, the moderators were biased, etc. etc.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 135 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So they are making excuses for Trump, which can only mean they could see that he lost.

I also heard that Trump was alone against 3. I guess because they called out a couple of his lies, especially the insane bit about emigrants eating peoples pets in Ohio.

So apparently some Republicans are not happy with how he did in the debate.

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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 89 points 2 months ago (1 children)

She actually prepared for the debate! And she's actually competent at this sort of thing! Totally rigged!

[–] Pips@lemmy.sdf.org 40 points 2 months ago

She's a litigator, she treated it like court. Very effective when your opposition makes insane rants.

[–] ValorieAF@lemmy.world 45 points 2 months ago

So it was rigged, but they won? Hmm sounds familiar

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 39 points 2 months ago

Harris was given the questions in advance

It would need a particular stupid person not to know what kind of topics/questions will come up in such a debate.

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[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 62 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Had he pulled down his pants, shat on the rug, and threw it at the moderators, republicans would think he won.

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[–] anon6789@lemmy.world 56 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

National Review is about the only place I bother to go for an R take on news, and their front page is not very positive about him this morning.

List of Headlines:

Republicans Blame Debate Moderators as Democrats Take a Victory Lap

Debate 2024: Trump Takes the Bait, but Does It Matter?

Trump’s Trainwreck

Harris Was Completely Wrong to Say That There Are No Americans in Combat Zones Today

An Anticlimactic Debate, an Incomplete Grade

‘Childless Cat Lady’ Taylor Swift Endorses Harris Moments after Debate Wraps

Harris Emerges Largely Unscathed from First-Ever Meeting with an Unfocused Trump

Tim Burton’s Stale Hollywood Gothic: Bobbert says new Beetlejuice not nearly as erotic as the musical

[–] Dwayne_Elizondo_Mountain_Dew_Camacho@sh.itjust.works 68 points 2 months ago (5 children)

I'm so disappointed :

Tim Burton’s Stale Hollywood Gothic: Bobbert says new Beetlejuice not nearly as erotic as the musical

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[–] bassomitron@lemmy.world 38 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

That 8 years thing for healthcare could easily backfire. The majority of Americans are very fed up with our healthcare, and Democrats haven't done much to fix it this administration either (not entirely their fault, we have a gridlocked Congress and Senate, after all). The concept of a plan quote is hilarious, though! My friends and I plan on using it at work from now on.

Anyway, even most Republican media outlets have conceded that Harris won last night. As for the MAGA cult itself, I honestly haven't bothered to go down that internet hole yet, nor am I likely to. I'm sure there's countless bots/trolls spinning the story and creating a fake reality already, with plenty of zealots lapping it up because their collective delusion requires it.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 36 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

That 8 years thing for healthcare could easily backfire. The majority of Americans are very fed up with our healthcare,

Yes but Democrats and particularly Harris want to improve it further, it's the Republicans that have refused to play ball for 16 years now.
Harris did mention results on medicin prices, and ongoing work to improve that further. So isn't it still a very obvious advantage for Democrats and their political goals that people are fed up with the lack of progress?

My friends and I plan on using it at work from now on.

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[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 2 months ago (6 children)

I went on r/the_donald to check what they're saying. The top posts were all about how biased ABC was. So yeah, they think he lost.

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[–] Soup@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago

“Your system is so bad, terrible! Anyone can do better!”

“And yet you couldn’t in your term and still don’t have an idea how to do it even now? So you admit you can’t fix what you believe to be an easy problem to solve? That’s a weird stance to take during a debate you’re trying to win but ok.”

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[–] Cornpop@lemmy.world 155 points 2 months ago (1 children)

As soon as she said small crowd size and low energy people leaving early he lost it lol

[–] Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world 80 points 2 months ago (3 children)

It was such obvious bait, I was a bit shocked that he took it!

[–] CoggyMcFee@lemmy.world 85 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I wasn’t shocked at all (except the general shock that a person like this has ever come close to the presidency). Particularly in recent years, I’ve seen him take bait so many times which wasn’t even intended as bait, but it triggered him. And because it slightly grazed his fragile ego, priority number one for him is to go on an ego-defending tangent that only confuses and undermines any points he could have made about the actual topic.

Harris knew that as long as she peppered her responses with a trigger here and a trigger there, he would be unable to help himself every time. And that’s what we saw.

[–] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 46 points 2 months ago

Yeah I don't understand how people are still surprised by this either. He is an unrepentant, raging malignant narcissist. He physically - biologically! - cannot resist defending his ego when challenged.

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[–] frezik@midwest.social 36 points 2 months ago (5 children)

I'm more shocked that Democrats haven't tried to bait him this way much before. It's not hard to get him to prattle on about nothing while you look like the grown-up in the room.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 104 points 2 months ago (15 children)

I'm still stuck on this thing about how undocumented immigrants are coming to America to eat dogs and cats, but in the process are being forcibly sent to American Prisons which are actually a front for experimental sex changing drugs creating a squad of latinas-who-used-to-be-latinos with the goal of sending them to dominate women's sports, and the existence of transpeople like myself are an elaborate hoax to manufacture consent for this program.

Do I understand that correctly, that is actually what Donald Trump unironically believes?

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 40 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"THEY'RE EATING THE DOGS!" is quickly becoming a thing in my house. That's how my daughter greeted me after school today

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[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 32 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Don't forget that the immigrants are coming from insane asylums, and are not legal immigrants seeking asylum.

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 99 points 2 months ago (20 children)

The mood in r/conservative seems to be fairly in agreement with this headline. Kind of delicious to creep on lol

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 37 points 2 months ago

You are far braver than I.

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[–] scops@reddthat.com 82 points 2 months ago (10 children)

Dominated.

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[–] roofTophopper@lemmy.world 73 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Work has been interesting so far. Not many of the huge Trumpers are discussing it and they discuss every time he cuddles out a fart. Most are saying they didn't have the stomach to watch KuMALuh lie all night or the entire thing is rigged. There's been one comment that her earrings were secretly devices to feed her the answers.

[–] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 86 points 2 months ago (6 children)

The trucker I swamp for has swapped rhetoric from "Kamala laughs like a hyena/ Trump is fine" to declarations about how he doesn't care about politics and how maybe we should all just stop talking about it.

Very funny how fast that disengage happened.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 67 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Trumpets disengaging and not voting is probably the best we can hope for.

[–] greenskye@lemm.ee 45 points 2 months ago

My parents, who aren't hardcore trumpers but did vote for him last time aren't voting and I consider that a massive win

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[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 67 points 2 months ago (7 children)

I'm not American, but that was fun to watch. I had my popcorn and everything. It felt like I'm watching Cartman debate Wendy or something.

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[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 66 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (12 children)

He says he won and his supporters believe it. That's all they need. Doesn't matter if he was dominated or not.

[–] omarfw@lemmy.world 36 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Trump and his followers are truth proclaimers, not truth seekers. They believe truth is dictated by consensus, volume, devotion, etc because that's what their religion and their narcissistic delusions teach them. Everyone else knows that truth is something to be analyzed and determined, not proclaimed.

So in general, yeah it's a waste of time paying attention to what their reaction is. They're a predictable bunch.

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[–] dhork@lemmy.world 60 points 2 months ago (4 children)

We don't really know whether nobody has dominated Donald Trump like that, because we don't know what Putin says when they talk.

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[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.world 55 points 2 months ago (5 children)

I don't get the hyperbolic responses to fucking everything by Trump. It's always got to be biggest, best, worst, loudest. He fucking has no middle ground in any of the bullshit he spews.

I was so entertained when he brought up the immigrants eating pets and how he got called out for it by the moderator. There were a few times they straight up called him out.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 37 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Because his base apparently absolutely eats it up. They don't like nuance. They like crisis and outrage and hate and things they don't have to think too much about or have gray areas. They are purely good, the enemy is pure evil, etc.

The country is collapsing, she is the worst ever, etc. It's easy.

Not all of his followers are like that, but holy shit is it way more than I ever would have guessed. And it works so goddamn well.

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[–] figjam@midwest.social 42 points 2 months ago

Except for the women that peed on him.

[–] kikutwo@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Actually, E. Jean Carroll did.

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