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I wanted to ask this question to Americans, do you think it is ok for people who don't have a stake in USA future to discuss USA events and politics?

I personally think it should be encouraged, but I had met a very small minority of people who think it's not ok.

What do you think?

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[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago

American foreign politics affects almost everyone on the globe. They have military bases everywhere and the dollar still is the currency used in a lot of international trade, although that's changing.

If they didn't want to be scrutinized, chastised or made fun of then they shouldn't be in the empire building business.

[–] L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

Yes, it ok for humans to speak and hold opinions on things.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 months ago

Of course. Although I sometimes think the obsession with US politics goes above and beyond what is practical. It’s probably more important to focus on your local politics where you can actually have an influence.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 2 points 2 months ago

In general grounds, I think that it's completely fine for people not directly affected by something to discuss it. Sometimes it's even useful for ones who are affected - because they tend to see the trees and miss the forest.

Country/government stuff is only an example of that.

[–] emax_gomax@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's hard to not have an opinion when we're fed more news about America than the average American. And no, blatant propaganda does not count.

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 2 points 2 months ago

Am American and welcome any kind of discussion. I don't think any country or group should be immune from discussion, including criticism.

As with any country, we have plenty to criticize and we are large and influential enough that there should be plenty of discussion about the things we do. Especially our meddling across the globe.

[–] RagingHungryPanda@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago

No, as an American, you are only permitted to talk about events within the boarder of the land that you are in. For this reason, Americans are recommended to get summaries of recent events in any country they plan an extended stay in. Failure to comply can result in imprisonment, or event death.

[–] paf0@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I don't mind it but I draw a line at criticism of the entire electorate. Many of us know that things are broken and we'd fix it if we could.

Edit: clarity. The entire electorate

[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Why? They are part of the problem which affects us in the rest of the world.

[–] paf0@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'd prefer they talk about problems, not the entire voting population. I'm even open to "the Democrats need to nominate a better candidate" or "MAGA is garbage" but not "Americans are X".

[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So you are allowed to criticize it but I'm not?

[–] paf0@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I would never criticize the entire voting population or say something like "I don't know why Americans allow X to happen". My criticisms are specific and targeted towards certain groups of people who are working against our interests.

[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] paf0@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

I don't really mind the idea of Republicans. Their execution is the problem. If they really were focused on small government, national defense, low taxes, the second amendment and pro-life, I could understand it (though I am decidedly pro-choice). It's the disingenuous nature of it all that gets me.

I also don't really like the Democratic party. They tend to make big promises that never fully materialize.

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

To discuss events and have opinions? Yes. To backseat drive a nation that's not even theirs? No.

[–] PumpkinSkink@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

My county has very much felt it has a stake in your country, whatever country that may be. We probably enforced that stake with weapons at some point.

My countrymen spend a lot of time pontificating on how they feel about other countries. I think it is entierly welcome that people other than Americans and Europeans have some discussions about us.

I sincerely hope that some of my fellow Americans get mad about the things you might have to say about us. We very much deserve it.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 1 points 2 months ago

I don't know why Americans' opinion would matter. That said, it is fine. We're used to it.

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

No one is completely living outside the US. No one. Especially big elections concern everyone on the globe to some degree. It's also simply interesting, although sometimes in a morbid way.

That being said, if you're into politics in the first place, the one in your own country should have the higher priority in my opinion. I'm saying this because I know non-Americans who concern themselves more with American politics (it's flashier and social media is so full of it, it's easy to fall down that rabbit hole) than those of their own country. I think that's a problem because it distracts them from problems they face in their own backyards that they might not even be aware of.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

Of course it’s okay.

Generally speaking, it’s okay for people to discuss things.

That’s what a culture of free speech looks like. People can and should talk about things that are interesting to them.

[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I would say it is okay for non-Americans who live outside the US to discuss US events, as long as you have children. If you are a childless cat lady, I don't see how you have a stake in anything going on in your own country, let alone another country.

[–] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Holy shit we found JD Vance's Lemmy account

[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 1 points 2 months ago

Was it too obvious?

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

Lol, that seems like weird criteria to me. Politics affect adults that are alive right now too.

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