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[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 38 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Provide a high enough standard of living that extremism costs an individual too much to engage in. This may sound a bit dystopian but a fat and happy populace is much easier to govern than a starving and desperate one.

Also, education - not like nationalistic bullshit education but a general education that leads people to nuture their empathy and social awareness. When people see desperate situations and no effort to address them they're more likely to turn to extremism then if they're aware of an effort (even if it's ineffective) because if there's an effort ongoing the politically active will be more likely to join the effort rather than fighting the establishment.

Lastly, a non-shitty election system that makes everyone (not just swing state voters) feel like their voice is being heard. If you don't think you'll be able to effect change within the system you're more likely to turn to extremism.

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This may sound a bit dystopian but a fat and happy populace is much easier to govern than a starving and desperate one.

Brave New World

[–] Mike1576218@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

It is not bad per se. It should be the goal of every government to make all people fat and happy. The problem is, it is enough to only make >50% happy.

[–] Don_Dickle@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

This has got to be the best answer yet....If you can or want to could you expand a little bit so I can read more...if not I understand...no sarcasm.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Depends on the root cause. If the terrorism comes from a place of desperation for liberation or emancipation, addressing the underlying material conditions would prevent that kind of terrorism. A great example of that is Apartheid South Africa and Ireland. On the other hand, if the terrorism comes from a place of Fascism, like ISIS or the KKK, I think funding progressive and democratic opposition and also education would have the most positive effect. Holding the terrorists responsible for their actions and jailing them accordingly is really important, but to solve the underlying cause is critical to end it entirely. Otherwise, if the root cause isn't addressed, there is no reason to believe the terrorism will stop.

[–] Sadbutdru@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think the material conditions in Iraq had a major impact on the ability of ISIS to recruit and spread their ideology.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Admittedly, I don't know much about the details of the history of ISIS. But from what I understand I agree, the material conditions that resulted from the US's invasion of Iraq was a major significant factor in the rise of ISIS

https://www.vox.com/2014/8/25/6065529/isis-rise

[–] nooneescapesthelaw@mander.xyz -3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

ISIS aren't fascist, they don't have a desire to rule, they just want to fight and kill. They're wardogs

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I consider all ambitions to form an ethnostate a flavor of Fascism

Since at latest 2004, a significant goal of the group has been the foundation of a Sunni Islamic state.

[–] nooneescapesthelaw@mander.xyz 0 points 2 months ago

That is their stated goal, but their actions show otherwise.

They mostly fight other Sunni Muslim organizations like Taliban, Hamas, Al Qaeda, which does not help in their stated goal.

They claim to follow the teachings of an author called Sayed Qutb, who is a really big figure in the Muslim brotherhood (which Hamas comes from) yet they attack Hamas.

Also

IS ideologues rarely uphold adherence to Islamic scholarship and law manuals for reference, mostly preferring to derive rulings based on self-interpretation of the Qur'an and Muslim traditions


Compare ISIS with the Taliban, an actual fascist organization which wants to rule in such a manner. Taliban mainly operated in Afghanistan, against invaders be they Russians, NATO, whatever. They did not operate in foreign countries like ISIS does. ISIS openly admits that it wants to destabilize other countries and radicalize Muslims living abroad to convince them to commit acts of terror

ISIS wants to stir religious hatred in Europe and the United States – so that Muslims no longer feel they belong in the West, and either carry out attacks in their homelands or leave to join the caliphate.

If they genuinely wanted to establish a caliphate they would first focus on gaining regional dominance, then either freeing Al quds, and occupying mecca.

Instead they fight Hamas, and try to get Muslims to commit acts of terror abroad

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 3 points 2 months ago

They’re effectively wardogs but their desire is to establish a large and radically Islamic empire

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 2 months ago

In the US we platform them and elect them president

Oh you said get rid of? Uhh, I'll get back to you on that

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 10 points 2 months ago

Surveil everything at all times. Surveillance Fog, which consists of nanobots that can detect terrorist activity such as using machine tools, holding sharp edged objects, or making eye contact with another person. Revoke all rights, and make sure nobody speaks about rights.

Also, for safety, encase all people in hard foam with catheters to provide nutrients and waste removal.

Monitor mental activity for signs of deviation. Correct outlier thinking at the synaptic level.

With these modest steps, terrorism can be fully eliminated, and our civilization can finally be Free From Evil.

[–] nooneescapesthelaw@mander.xyz 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Declare them to be non terrorists, problem solved

Where no bell piece prize

[–] TargaryenTKE@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)
[–] collapse_already@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago

Terrorism is an inchoate concept. History is written by the victors. American terrorists dumped tea in Boston Harbor, but they were freedom fighters and revolutionaries because they prevailed. On the flip side, Israel killed a terrorist. How do I know they were a terrorist? Because Israel wouldn't have killed them otherwise.

Overall, other responders have good answers - equal rights, freedoms, and opportunities. Plenty of bread and circuses. I can't be motivated to be a terrorist because I would sacrifice too much changing the status quo.

[–] Ziggurat@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Outside, they do organizer's targeted drones strikes, special force operation against terrorism. Pretty sure it's a documented fact.

Inside? I am naive enough to believe that they don't beside some leeway from the prosecution when elite cops involved in counter terrorism shoot someone

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago

Stop fucking creating terrorists. America can't though, creating terrorists is their favorite pastime

[–] L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

They don't.

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

I'm surprised no nation has set up surveillance traps for susceptible firearm salespeople to fall for so every purchase can lead right back to the buyer.

[–] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win -5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

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[–] can@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't believe there is an all-encompassing Lemmy ToS.

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[–] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win -2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

lemmy.ml and other instances under that domain.

So for official project pages and lemmy.ml, but individual instances can have their own.

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[–] Don_Dickle@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win -4 points 2 months ago (2 children)
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[–] Don_Dickle@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Was not advicating it. I was advicating how with a general question. Not making a threat or advocating violence.

[–] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win -1 points 2 months ago

Wasn't saying you were. Just I'd be unable to answer without doing so.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

Because the way to get rid of angry, desperate people is to kill them. A better way is to get rid of the desperation, which usually gives them something to lose, which gives them less desire to engage in actions that will lose them. That's why the War on Terror ended in a withdrawal, and not a victory. Sure, education and economic improvement isn't very fast, but some governments seem to be more than okay spending a couple decades doing something different.

No, this won't get rid of all of the terrorists, but how many of the wealthy, educated, married extremists with families are actually willing to risk their lives for their beliefs?