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[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 71 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I'm sure for Windows Pro this isn't accurate. There's no way a business could legally permit this, it's a massive risk.

It's probably just with Windows Home, and I'm sure O&O Shutup already handles it.

A Pro license is worth it just for Group Policy, which provides control over such things.

[–] bizarroland@fedia.io 47 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Do you know this for a fact or are you speculating?

[–] MrRedstoner@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

Going by the phrasing I'd say educated guess. I for one agree, it sounds like a massive liability when you have e.g. data protection laws to think about

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[–] bstix@feddit.dk 51 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Why don't they just make a proper OS without all that shit.

[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 50 points 2 months ago

Because it's not about making a proper OS. The shit is the point.

[–] neidu2@feddit.nl 27 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

Had a discussion with a coworker regarding this, and about how seemingly unnecessarily adversarial MS has become with its users. At first you could choose to only have a local account. Then you had to use a magic key sequence and a command to only use a local account. And I think now even that possibility has been removed? And then there's the forced default of us8ng one drive, copilot, cortana, and a bunch of other shit.

And as someone else said: The shit is the point. We concluded that MS realized that it's lagging behind other companies such as Google and Apple when it comes to providing an ecosystem that the user grows dependant on.

And while this strategy could have worked, MS has failed to take three important factors into account:

  • Most of their users don't care about an ecosystem. They just want to check their mail and run an installed program or two.
  • Many of their users are used to having their PC NOT be a part of an ecosystem.
  • MS ecosystem is absolute dogshit. The o365 is somewhat decent if you'rea corporate user, but anything else provided by Microsoft has a better 3rd party alternative if the user wants it at all.

The OS is not the product anymore. It's just an attempt at getting you to use their other stuff so that they can lock you in. Why do you think you can now use unlicensed windows with no real downsides? 15 years ago your windows install would refuse to do the tiniest thing without a license, because back then, sell8ng licenses was the business plan. Now they're selling services so that they can start selling you.

[–] PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I wish I could discuss things like this at work in a rational way. When I mentioned the Recall feature early on, he told me that sounded “like some tinfoil hat conspiracy theory stuff”.

I sent him a link to a news article that dumbed it down for him. Don’t know if he read it. Don’t care. But the point is, he is who MS is pandering to - the lowest common denominator, basically. The one who screws it all up for the rest of us and the reason we can’t have nice things.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

It sounds like tinfoil hat shit, because it's just that shitty.

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[–] Codilingus@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 months ago

They do and it's hard to acquire legitimately. Windows 11 IoT LTSC. Definitely don't waste your time looking for it in massgravedotdev.

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[–] egonallanon@lemm.ee 45 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Man I'd really like to keep a windows machine around for just for easy gaming but at this point it's too much of a liability.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Not that big of a problem of all you do with it is gaming.

[–] Pantrygheist@programming.dev 36 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Say you're entering your cc info for an in-game item or a store. Does recall have a way to identify that as sensitive data?

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Good point. The Epic store does fuck up often enough that I keep having to reenter my credit card info.

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 40 points 2 months ago (2 children)

If you need Windows do yourself a favor and during the installation process choose a European country when it asks what language pack your want to use. I always used English (UK) even though I don't live in the UK and never had to deal with the bullshit people keep talking about.

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[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 40 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They said the same shit about Edge, I'm still able to rip edge out kicking and screaming and SURPRISE nothing of value is ever lost lol

[–] neidu2@feddit.nl 36 points 2 months ago (2 children)

To be fair, Edge turned out be wildly successful, even surpassing iexplorer, when it comes to downloading other browsers.

[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

and also checking if the error you're getting is your browser or the website itself!

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[–] Xtallll@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I'll take HIPPA violations for 1000.

[–] kungen@feddit.nu 17 points 2 months ago

HIPAA* violations are going to be for a lot more than $1000.

[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Lol, most hospitals I go into are still on Windows 7 with some stuff still running XP.

Also, most workstations are thin clients

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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago

Can't wait to see all the hilarious fuck-ups this bullshit will cause.

[–] Fleppensteijn@feddit.nl 20 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Incidentally I just installed a new laptop that came with windows yesterday and damn, windows 11 sucks.

First you have to find a workaround to install without a MS account, then the default Bing search tells you to install Opera when you search for Firefox, I can't find any settings (everything is a regedit hack now) and then I found a debloat script that claims it disabled Recall. So yeah it can be disabled (for now).

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[–] Got_Bent@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago (14 children)

What are the chances that I, a not particularly tech savvy person, go to download mint and end up bricking my computer?

Honestly, my computer is an absolute bottom of the barrel $200 Dell laptop right now, so it wouldn't be that big of a deal, but I'd hate to fuck it up, get a better computer, and fuck that up too.

[–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 months ago

If you're capable of booting from a flash drive you're capable of installing Mint.

If you want to keep your Windows environment around for emergencies, you might need to learn a little bit about how to partition a disk, which is about 15 minutes of learning and 5 minutes of doing. Or if you have a second hard drive installed that you want to devote to Linux you don't even need to do the partitioning.

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 11 points 2 months ago

What are the chances that I, a not particularly tech savvy person, go to download mint and end up bricking my computer?

Very low. You'll download Mint and set it up on a USB drive, then boot that USB drive and be able to run it live BEFORE you make any permanent changes to your computer.

Its pretty straightforward and completely covered in the official Installation Documentation.

[–] kinkles@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Everyone here is saying it’s easy but nobody is mention that if you have any sort of unforeseen problem it can be a huge headache to fix. For example, let’s say your touchpad doesn’t work correctly. Resolving driver issues with Linux can very easily overwhelm anyone who isn’t tech-savvy and now you’ve put yourself in a situation where you want to reinstall Windows and have to figure that out next.

Definitely look into using Rufus to create a flash drive with Mint, let your laptop boot from it, and then just demo it for a few weeks. It’ll run slower than actually installing it to your computer but at least you’ll get a sense for if you actually want to pull the trigger or not (and if you don’t, unplug the drive and you’re back to booting your Windows environment with no harm done.)

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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 17 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I switched to Linux (mint). It kind of sucked getting it set up but at least I don't have to deal with Microsoft much anymore.

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[–] nick@midwest.social 15 points 2 months ago

I use the N version of windows, which is what they sell in the eu. I doubt copilot will ever be forcefully installed on my pc.

[–] lud@lemm.ee 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

It's crazy that no one actually research this at all before getting outraged.

Recall has always been exclusive to "Copilot+ PCs" which are ARM computers with a Snapdragon X series processor.

This won't affect normal computers at all.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/retrace-your-steps-with-recall-aa03f8a0-a78b-4b3e-b0a1-2eb8ac48701c

System requirements for Recall

Your PC needs the following minimum system requirements for Recall:

A Copilot+ PC

16 GB RAM

8 logical processors

256 GB storage capacity

    To enable Recall, you’ll need at least 50 GB of storage space free

    Saving screenshots automatically pauses once the device has less than 25 GB of storage space
[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 months ago

Beyond that, this is all speculation based off a single bugfix where they got rid of the ability to uninstall Copilot from the Features menu.

Huge assumptions that it won't be able to be disabled in plenty of other ways. Legally they cannot force this enabled on all devices due to the wide variety of information protection laws the world over.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (16 children)

Ah so it's totally okay for them to spy on people with particular types of computers. So obvious!

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

Just fill up your disk, problem solved!! \s

[–] mrvictory1@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Modders enabled Recall on non compliant ARM PCs with no AI hardware whatsoever.

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[–] Clanket@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Surely there's GDPR and other issues here. How are they allowed do this with very sensitive, private data on machines.

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[–] kinkles@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

The way I see it is someone will figure out a registry tweak to disable or cripple it.

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[–] mathematicalMagpie@lemm.ee 11 points 2 months ago

where meme?

[–] Kedly@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Fuck man, I was really hoping to scrounge up enough money to get my second tower up and running before I switched my current one over to linux so that I'd have an easier time transitioning everything without breaking anything too important, but this shit has me heavily rethinking that in favour of just switching over to linux sooner rather than later

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[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 months ago

I guess more linux market share then?

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