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If only Americans didn't hate LGBT and minorities so much they might be actually be able to progress instead of continuing the American tradition of two steps forward one step back.

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[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 55 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That’s the product of decades worth of “BoTh SiDeS aRe THe SaMe” propaganda

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

That and then pushing the green party in the last month before the election is exactly what Russia did in 2016 and is doing again.

Russia is using the Gaza war as a tool for this. And Nethanyahu knows it, and since Trump is better for Nethanyahu, he’s going to keep the war going and the killing of civilians until the election.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

And if Trump wins he will never stop. He has a 12% approval rating but many believe you can't change leaders during a war. So he will do forever war as long as our Congress and their enablers at AIPAC let it happen.

[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 32 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I mean, the Democrats are also corrupt but at least they respect human rights and have some nice policies that get through.

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 14 points 3 months ago (5 children)

The struggle for me is Democrats will never fix the root issue, which is capitalism. Yes they're the better of the two right leaning options but why can't socialists get our shit together and make an actual leftist party?

[–] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Because it would split the party enough that Republicans would gain further control.

Unfortunately, the best way to move things further left is not "yet another party", but decimation of the Republican party and then fracture (with FPTP is replaced). With FPTP in place, any party further left than democrats will just fail, because Republicans will dominate and further restrict voting to maintain control. We are seeing that very thing right now with election commissions in GA.

The only other option is the tankie hope for a civil war, which I am so much against I would not only argue against, but would actively fight against that sort of destructive approach which would serve only to harm and kill imo.

So what to do? Support people in primaries who are as far left as possible. Participate in the process, including primaries. Vote in local elections. Volunteer.

Be the left you want to see in the Democrats.

[–] joostjakob@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

As someone who lives under representative representation, I totally agree that FPTP should go. But being against that system doesn't have to ve a leftist strategy. I think everyone who does not feel represent by the two big parties can get behind a change there. Pushing that idea across the spectrum could be helpful. It might even be an idea to start an alliance party with as only program point an overdue constitutional reform. You wouldn't need other policies: simply reform & hold new elections as soon as possible afterwards

[–] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

100% it impacts voters of all parties

Since Republicans would lose more ground that way though, they will continue to push unrelated issues for single issue voters, and continuously make it "not the right time!" to address FPTP.

And while that sounds nice to reform immediately, that isn't how things would work given our Constitution. So I don't think it would realistically work out

[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Mostly a combination of laziness, the need to work 50-60 hours/week to survive, and good old-fashioned leftist infighting.

[–] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Don't forget the two party system (FPTP voting), gerrymandering, the electoral college, the debates being organized by the two parties themselves instead of an unbiased third party organization, mainstream media (in general), private money in politics, and every other systemic issue preventing political third parties from existing.

[–] SeriousMite@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

First we need to shift the Overton window left by repeatedly defeating Republicans.

[–] UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Because we never elect someone on the left. The best we can do is someone only slightly Right of center. We can't even get someone in the center let alone someone actually on the left

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The way there is to get involved in local and state politics, primary right-wing Dems and organize enough voters to replace them with left-wing Dems

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Almost. The need for a third (and fourth etc) party is real. Dems are very interested in the capitalism, more so than human rights. An actual left party is needed for balance.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago

The only way to have viable third+ parties in the US is to drastically change the election system, and the only way to do that is to reform the Democratic party

[–] Tyfud@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Anyone in power is corrupt to some extent. Anyone. There are no exceptions.

There are only people who let it corrupt them less than those around them.

That's it.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

Respect human rights? Look around. Start with Palestine and then take a look at California leveraging the recent Supreme court ruling to outlaw homelessness.

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

If only didn't hate LGBT and minorities so much they might be actually be able to progress instead of continuing the tradition of two steps forward one step back.

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