If you leak sensitive military documents just because you can't stand losing an online argument, your voting rights and driving licence should be revoked. You are simply too stupid to exist in normal society.
this post was submitted on 13 Sep 2023
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Treating people as sub-human - no longer with the same basic human rights, like the right to vote, as others - just for committing a crime, is an extremely dangerous fascist road to go down.
Criminals exist, they are people, and they have as much right to take part in the democratic process as anybody else. Equality is the cornerstone of democracy.
The only exception I would make to this is cases of electoral fraud. If you are part of an attempt to manipulate the votes you should lose the right to vote.
Some countries other than the USA that have criminal disenfranchisement laws have them ONLY for crimes targeting the state/democratic order. As of 2012, Germany, Norway and Portugal are doing this. Though most countries just let their criminals vote.
criminals exist
hallo
criminals exist
hallo
I agree with you. Did you know that criminal disenfranchisement is not an invention of the USA? We turned it into an artform, to be sure, but it has a long history and is still a thing in many other countries (old article, couldn't find anything more recent easily).
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It's a criminal offence. In a US wystem, that means no voting, driving of much of anyrhing else for around two decades.
No no you don't understand
They leak online documents because its usually Gaijin's braindead mods rambling about superior russian technology that gets implemented as invincible in game lol.
Also pretty much all these leaks are considered sensitive info, not top secret. It's not common on the internet, but really easy for many people in the military to access because its usually basic things like a flight manual.
Not to mention its also mostly retired or previous generation tech, so this material is probably coming from off service members anyway.
Hell even the China MBT "leak" wasn't illegal because it was already declassified.
It's not my fault that people are wrong on the internet
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What was it this time
Engine and sensor specs for the F-117
When I was in the Navy, during the mid 90's, I watched these things take off and do training tests or whatever they did. We watched them for hours. It occurred to me, watching them in perfect daylight and with a understanding of what I was watching, that if I didn't know what that was it could have easily been a UFO. And ever since then when someone tells me that they might have seen a UFO I tell them about watching that airplane and how UFO it looked taking off and doing maneuvers. Its shape and speed make it such a bizarre thing to see.
I saw some jet in 2010 at an airshow in Spangdahlem, pretty sure it was an F-22, transition from flying normally to what can only be described as standing on it's engines and flying through the air, horizontally, belly first. Evidently this was easy enough to be performed directly over the base at a very low altitude. Mindblowing.
"Easy enough"... but wasn't there a case where a pilot lost control doing that stunt, and the plane turned into a fireball just off-base?
pdf link or fake
This is teaching and maintaining standards of NCD leadership, rightchyah
wasn't that retired from combat in 2008? I get that the technology might still be classified, but by modern stealth, it's ancient
It was ITAR restricted and not sensitive. Every time I see this I just shake my head..
Yeah, that's what I thought. It's been 8+ years since I had to do anything ITAR so I couldn't remember if it also applied to information. From what I remember it explicitly controls products that are purpose built or components of defense systems (and by that I mean 'Arms').
While I'm sure Warthunder thought the best idea was to say "fuck that, we aren't touching this live wire with a 20 foot long insulated fiber glass pole" and the manual itself is export controlled (as it aids in use of the F-117 system) there isn't a new national security threat because of it being shared publicly. Part of the reason ITAR exists, if you make it difficult or impossible to obtain all the parts of a system, that system is going to have a hard time working correctly.
NATO sells the docs online lmao
Does anyone happen to have the specific persons handbook on how to operate a m1 Abrams?
WHY ARE THEYRE SIX PEDALS!
Manuver
If there are only four directions
Classified information or $10 manual again?
Other people have said it's a ten dollar manual but I never checked the sources 🤷
the user allegedly posted pages from a flight manual, which included information such as the location of the plane’s sensors, its engine specifications, and even its firing angles.
Probably nothing new to the people who would target an F-117 but still
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Has this really happened?
F-117 documents were leaked on War Thunder forums this week i think.
As a life-long fan of the F-117 (I played the F-19 and F-117 games by Microprose), was there anything of interest in those documents? Asking for a friend.
It's another flight manual like the Eurofighter DA.7 last week (iirc).
Oh man, you played too? There's dozens of us!
I remember having to learn how to use DOS commands to load the cd and start the game.
Back then it was on floppy disks!
I played the F-117 game on DosBox a few years ago, settings to full realism/full difficulty and it was surprisingly easy. I also really miss the Microprose-style UIs in modern games, only few game developers put the work into making an immersive UI (one such positive example is the game "Highfleet").
Yeah get a load of that guy with his fancy CDs.
Mine was 5.25” floppies. (F19)
I’ve never tried it on an emu because I figured I don’t have the manual so I wouldn’t know what all the keys did :(
Was Tank Platoon also microprose? That game was awesome too.
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Multiple times. It's the dumbest shit, too.
So many times over the years. The devs had made multiple public statements that they will not use the information or implement it in game, so as not to encourage it, yet people keep doing it
The information being used in the game is FAR less important than being right on a Internet forum, apparently
This time its not even to win an argument the comment is just "here's the flight manual, please implement the plane"
Which is even worse than what you'd think because the plane looks very cool but its purpose is nowhere near the type of gameplay that war thunder has.
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Sounds like we need to leak fake info that matches whats currently in the game so they'll change it.
Such a strange time to be alive
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