Sweet Jesus the people in this country are fucking stupid.
The guy came a hallway short from ending democracy in our country and installing himself dictator and these stupid fucks want to give him another shot.
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To them, he came that close to success…
Germany did that too. But the guy did a lot better in the first term and installed himself as the only Leader. He even got imprisoned, yet he prevailed.
Please Murica, just do the right thing. The oter option isn't great, but you'll regret another Trump 4ys
When Trump lost, they decided (and were propagandized into believing) that democracy had failed. Many of them genuinely believe that the democratic party is a fascist entity bent on destroying America. That's the scary part.
I think there are about three things in play here:
- Quite a lot of the republican base lives in a completely different reality thanks to campaigns of propaganda and destroying education. Charitably, the best way to describe these people is extremely ignorant. For them, these indictments are dem led witch-hunts that they mostly don't believe, even when you can literally see the opposite. EG: Should presidents take classified documents? No. What are these pictures? those are classified documents at maralago. Did Trump do something wrong? Now let me tell you about Hunter Biden and the Biden crime family...
- Quite a lot of republicans are bordering on sociopathy if not pure evil. The party in particularly, and not the voters, know they're peddling bullshit but they don't care because it's going to get them more money/power, which is the only real goal/ideology. Then you have the white supremacists and fascists that are just evil and are doing this for ideological reasons.
- Systems are designed in this country to perpetuate this. Literal minority rule is a founding principal of this country.
Calling on my fellow Canadians to grab their shovels and dig a trench along the boarder so we can push off into the ocean and away from this clusterfuck.
repubs are dumber than dogshit.
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Okay, before people start beating me up, I'm not arguing for complacency, but this headline is more than a bit click-baity.
This is a small poll, and per the poll's methodology (scroll down, keep scrolling.... nope keep going... ok... there you go - emphasis mine):
The New York Times/Siena College poll of 1,329 registered voters nationwide, including an oversample of 818 registered Republican voters, was conducted in English and Spanish on cellular and landline telephones from July 23-27, 2023. The margin of sampling error is plus or minus 3.67 percentage points for all registered voters and plus or minus 3.96 percentage points for the likely Republican primary electorate.
Not only did they over sample Republicans, their margin of error is almost 4% within that group.
This feels like the NYT attempting to establish a narrative based on a very small, biased sampling of data. Remember that the mass media wants to amp up the uncertainty levels (which drive engagement and advertising revenue), and with Trump basically blowing out the primary, they'll need another spectacle to ensure that it appears to be a close contest down to the finish line. The timing of the poll release and the headline is also suspect, especially as this poll was taken before the news of the latest indictment, yet presented as if it's a reaction to today's news.
That being said, I think it is an accurate portrayal of sentiment from those who still consider themselves Republicans. I don't believe, given the small sample sizes and admitted bias, that it's an accurate picture of the country.
Again, that's not an argument for political complacency - rather, it's one against media driven narratives relying on biased polling that make you scroll down six pages of tables to find their methodology.
It's also a telephone poll...that guarantees it's mostly people 50 and older because who the fuck under 50 answers phone calls from unknown numbers?
I rarely answer calls from known numbers
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I was thinking about this after my first comment.
"Was it mostly land line polling?"
Boomers. Nothing but Boomers and their lead ravaged brains. You could probably run the electricity for the Eastern seaboard with the amount of spinning happening in the graves of their parents.
This can't be true,
Trump is a convicted rapist and known criminal that emboldened domestic terrorism.
Biden is actually doing a great job.
These two things are not equal.
I’m you from the future, people are really really really stupid.
They’re incredibly stupid in the present moment too. Stupidity is the great filter
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....but, but, but Biden told those railroad workers to go back to work so the economy didn't collapse, so you know, he's just as bad as Trump!1!!
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I guarantee you that topic is going to come up more than a few times over the next few months from people who never intended to vote for Biden either way and instead are cherry picking bullshit topics to help sway others.
And we have to be ready to counter with the fact that Biden continued to put pressure and ultimately got the rail workers their sick days.
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All it takes is for Biden to develop a sudden health problem, as old people sometimes do; then it's Trump vs Kamala Harris and we're fucked.
Trump is only 3 years younger. They're both old as fuck.
That and Biden still jogs and bikes. Trump has a hard time shuffling down a ramp.
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Similarly Trump could fall over dead tomorrow and then it's old man Biden vs young . This is the current plan for any Republican currently in the race, the hope that Trump takes himself out, either via the legal system or just poor general health, and then they can swoop in and be Trump "lite".
Trump could fall over dead and his cult of followers would still vote for him.
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As long as the same two parties rule the country in a cycle you will always be fucked
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If anything this should scare the Democrats. Imagine if the Republicans nominated someone even slightly decent?
I said it after 2020 with all the trouble he had getting elected, Biden probably should be a 1 term president and not run for re-election.
Someone who is even slightly decent doesn't have what it takes to get the Republican nomination.
I originally said "not Trump" And probably should stick with that. Basically that election was a 4 year referendum on Trump. That energized a lot of the Democrat base, and got the vote out. And Biden still struggled, when he probably should have destroyed him.
It honestly feels like both parties are choosing the weakest candidates over the last eight years.
It's because the rich have essentially captured both parties. There are a HANDFUL of candidates in the democratic party and among independents who have not been basically bought and paid for, and still more out there who pretend to be to the left .
The democratic party's only hope is REAL left-wing massive policy passage - the kind that cannot be ignored, that ignites a depressed, cynical voting base.
Instead, they constantly try to find some shitty halfway point between pissing off incredibly rich donors, and making the working class not want to burn everything down. What that effectively means policy-wise is - is instead of things like "universal free healthcare" we get a clone of Romneycare... with the public option stripped from it by another bullshit Republicrat / "bLuE-dOg" democrat... where insurance companies get paid no matter what... but you still can't afford insulin.
All that then does is make people not show up for them - thinking the Democratic party - the only party NOT advocating for outright fascism - isn't going to fight for their voting bases real tangible needs.
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Agree.
We need serious political reform before that is likely to change. A country of 300+ million people with only 2 parties, and a choice between 2 weak old men. It is deeply depressing.
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Republicans can’t, though. I mean Trump started a literal insurrection on Jan 6 to try and overturn the last election. Do you really think he’ll just bow out gracefully if he somehow looses the primary?
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It makes me crazy that we're even talking about this and it's more than a year away. Our election cycles in the US are too damn long.
This is what happens when political parties are treated and viewed like sports teams
The USA votes it’s president in with the Electoral College. Every poll talking about “voters … tie … blah …blah …blah” doesn’t mean shit, cause the voters don’t get to pick the president. Their representatives do. And guess what, their representatives don’t have to represent them. They can vote however they want. They can even get elected and then switch parties to the bad guys team. Also, fuck the GOP.
clickbait
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Is this another landline poll? Those are notoriously and increasingly useless.
You mean you don't take 15 minutes out of your day to answer random questions when a random phone number calls?
At this point I hope for pollsters to contact me just so I can see how the process works.
I think I got texted once about the 2020 election and that was it. People who don’t have landlines are invisible when it comes to polls like this.
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The New York Times/Siena College poll of 1,329 registered voters nationwide, including an oversample of 818 registered Republican voters, was conducted in English and Spanish on cellular and landline telephones from July 23-27, 2023. The margin of sampling error is plus or minus 3.67 percentage points for all registered voters and plus or minus 3.96 percentage points for the likely Republican primary electorate
Landline and cellular plus an oversample of republicans? Maybe someone better at statistics can say why that was needed
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Propaganda works great, doesn't it?
With such a small sample all you can really take from this is that both parties will receive votes. This says next to nothing about how close the race will be.
This should not even be possible. The propaganda machine in place since Nixon apparently works. People are fucking stupid.
None of this matters. I mean the DNC could run some octogenarian and Dem voters would happily vote for him/her. The RNC could run some octogenarian who was twice impeached and thrice indicted and the Republican voters would happily vote for him. It's crazy town.
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