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[–] brokenlcd@feddit.it 279 points 3 months ago (7 children)

It seems like a flavour of the rubber duck method; by trying to explain it to a third party, you think about it in a different way and find a solution.

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 49 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Never heard the term but I often do it intuitively

[–] Phineaz@feddit.org 73 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Trust me bro(ette): Rubber duck is the SHIT. I don't even program save for a few rare instances, but any complex issue where you just know something is wrong but can't quite put your finger on it? It works miracles. A lot better tbf if you are actually explaining it to someone who can ask questions, but any object that you can look at is a good substitute.

[–] BlackPenguins@lemmy.world 31 points 3 months ago

My cat is my rubber duck. I get some weird looks from her.

[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 11 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] Guntrigger@sopuli.xyz 20 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Initially I thought this comment was threaded under the "my cat is my rubber duck" comment which made it much worse.

[–] lolrightythen@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Hey, pal - that's my mom you're talking about

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[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 7 points 3 months ago

Of cause I know someone who can ask questions. It's me.

No, seriously, when I explain it to myself, I come up with questions that really help

[–] abcd@feddit.org 46 points 3 months ago
[–] snooggums@midwest.social 21 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The rubber duck method is just another flavor of thinking out loud.

[–] HamsterRage@lemmy.ca 28 points 3 months ago (6 children)

I think it's a bit more than that. I think that the idea is that you simplify the problem so that the rubber duck could understand it. Or at least reformulate it in order to communicate it clearly.

It's the simplification, reformulation or reorganisation that helps to get the breakthrough.

Just thinking out loud isn't quite the same thing.

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[–] kwomp2@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Even though this is true for like 90% of my thinking (that I can see when I try), so far I'm concinced this ist because I am a predominantly language-and-normal-grammar-rules thinker.

There are people that mostly think via associations of words that don't have to be formulated/ cast into grammar.

And then there supposedly people mainly thinking in pictures or smth, without words.

Anyways for some people rubber duck mode reoresents a change in thinking method, I think

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[–] probableprotogen@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

AI in general is only a glorified rubber duck for most cases. The amount of bullshit cobbled together is too high for many uses

[–] brokenlcd@feddit.it 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Ai, the rolling coal of tought processes

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[–] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 123 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Maybe the real artificial intelligence is the regular intelligence we found along the way.

[–] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 34 points 3 months ago (5 children)

NOOOOOOOO BRO

YOU GOTTA TRY THIS AI I PUT IN MY DIGITAL ALARM CLOCK

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[–] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 72 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] Lemjukes@lemm.ee 11 points 3 months ago

There’s a reason cs50’s ai assistant/tutor is a duck :p

[–] digdilem@lemmy.ml 58 points 3 months ago (5 children)
[–] frezik@midwest.social 16 points 3 months ago (2 children)

And all we needed was the electricity of a good sized industrial nation state.

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[–] DrFuggles@feddit.org 54 points 3 months ago (6 children)

To be fair, I've written countless stack overflow posts detailing my problems in hope someone would be able to spot the mistake or error only for me to realize what it was along the way and never even submitting it.

And I didn't even need a 🦆 for it

[–] Contravariant@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Education has really failed to impress upon people the importance of asking questions. It's amazing how much time is wasted on making people learn answers to questions they don't even know how to ask.

[–] sharkbelly@lemm.ee 13 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The most valuable tool I ever got (as a tutor/teacher) was Socratic Questioning. Students not only benefit from its application but it also helps to impress upon them the value (and relative skill) to asking thoughtful questions.

I don't mean to sound like a Mom for Liberty, but to my mind, the American public education system (probably others) is not about developing intelligence but rather preparing children for work and keeping them busy/safe while their parents work, and I'd argue it's not very good at its primary function. The ones who escape with curiosity, capacity, and confidence intact are woefully rare if you care about power to the people and thankfully rare if you care about keeping people easy to control.

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Yeah, it's a well known technique in programming called "rubber duck debugging".

The process of explaining the situation forces you to think about it in a different way, which can help you with the debugging.

But, nobody actually credits the duck when it works. It's weird that this guy seems to want to credit ChatGPT

[–] el_abuelo@programming.dev 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Is it just me or is this a really weird way of repeating what the OP said? He even used the duck emoji for clarity....

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[–] redisdead@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

You needed a duck. You used one. It didn't really look like a duck but it served the same purpose.

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[–] Maiq@lemy.lol 50 points 3 months ago (1 children)

99% of the questions I was going to post to stack overflow were solved before I hit post. Something about really having to think through your problem to give people the most complete information about your problem as possible makes it easier to find the solution.

I did just get a rubber ducky and I didn't know what I should do with it till now.

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[–] expatriado@lemmy.world 43 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

i wanted to try this, but i only got a hard plastic duck

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

well that should work, unless you are the infamous reddit user, fuckswithducks, in which case it might also work.

[–] expatriado@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

nah, my reddit username was Unidan and i only fucked with crows

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[–] MeDuViNoX@sh.itjust.works 37 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That's like how I cheated through every single test in school I've ever taken. I literally just paid attention to what the teacher said, wrote the answers down, wrote down more answers from the book, and then read them a couple times until I remembered them. I'd come in and just write down all those answers on the test and they'd never suspect a thing. I've still never been caught to this day and I even use it in my life outside of school.

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[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 32 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Back in the days of usenet if I had a Linux problem I would carefully research the issue while composing a post asking how to solve it. I needed to make sure I covered every possible option so that people would know just how odd the problem was and that I had taken every reasonable step to fix it. And this was how I hardly ever had to post anything because this process almost always found the answer.

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[–] zarlin@lemmy.world 29 points 3 months ago

In programming we use a rubber ducky for this

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago
[–] jackyard@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

Yea I sometimes use LLM chatbots as a rubber duck.

[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 18 points 3 months ago (19 children)

Is anyone who uses AI just an "AI folk" now?

[–] cikano@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago
[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

People who are using it to solve problems which require equivalent effort of writing a sufficient prompt and just directly solving it without AI at all for sure are AI folk.

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[–] aaaaace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

A problem well stated is a problem half-solved.

Charles Kettering

Charles Franklin Kettering (August 29, 1876 – November 25, 1958) sometimes known as Charles Fredrick Kettering[1] was an American inventor, engineer, businessman, and the holder of 186 patents.[2] He was a founder of Delco, and was head of research at General Motors from 1920 to 1947. Among his most widely used automotive developments were the electrical starting motor[3] and leaded gasoline.[4] In association with the DuPont Chemical Company, he was also responsible for the invention of Freon refrigerant for refrigeration and air conditioning systems. At DuPont he also was responsible for the development of Duco lacquers and enamels, the first practical colored paints for mass-produced automobiles. While working with the Dayton-Wright Company he developed the "Bug" aerial torpedo, considered the world's first aerial missile.[5] He led the advancement of practical, lightweight two-stroke diesel engines, revolutionizing the locomotive and heavy equipment industries. In 1927, he founded the Kettering Foundation, a non-partisan research foundation, and was featured on the cover of Time magazine in January 1933.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 16 points 3 months ago

"Correct question is half of answer"

[–] saigot@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I can't count the number of times I've written out a question for a coworker, answered it myself in the process of phrasing the question and deleted it all. My mentoree has a habit of sending me messages and deleting them a couple seconds later which I'm pretty sure is the same thing.

People can hate ai all they want but if bouncing questions off an ai helps debug a problem go for it.

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 months ago

What a feature. Blueskyians really don’t like birdsite.

Also, hope somebody finds this comment (& Lemmy) via web search

Possible Twitter screenshot

[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Ineresting, will make a good topic for my next offline podcast (talking to my friends without a microphone).

[–] abracaDavid@lemmy.today 8 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Am I the only one that sees all of these AI platforms as just the next iteration of search engines?

[–] UsernameIsTooLon@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You're late lol. Phone assistants such as Siri, Bixby, Google Assistant etc. have already been AI search engines for years. People just didn't really consider it until it got more advanced but it's always been there.

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[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

What tech support department doesn't have the "ask the stuffed bear on the counter in the corner out loud your question before asking tech support" system in place ?

[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I thought the canonical examen was a rubber duck.

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[–] sharkbelly@lemm.ee 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They have bumbled backwards into a new flavor of rubber duck debugging. Considering the likelihood of a rubber duck bullshitting you, I know which I'll be interrogating.

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Doesn't have anything to do with AI. This is normal in any context where you're asking another party for help.

But sure, people who use AI have never considered thinking before /s

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