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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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In a conversation with Mike Solan, the head of the Seattle Police Officers’ Guild, Seattle Police Department officer and SPOG vice president Daniel Auderer minimized the killing of 23-year-old student Jaahnavi Kandula by police officer Kevin Dave and joked that she had “limited value” as a “regular person” who was only 26 years old.

In the video, taken in the early morning after Dave hit Kandula in a crosswalk while speeding to respond to a call from a man who believed he had taken too much cocaine, Auderer says he has talked to Dave and he is “good,” adding that ” it does not seem like there’s a criminal investigation going on” because Dave was “going 50 [mph]—that’s not out of control” and because Kandula may not have even been in a crosswalk. Auderer added that Dave had “lights and sirens” on, which video confirmed was not true.

In fact, as we reported exclusively, Dave was driving 74 miles an hour in a 25 mile per hour zone and struck Kandula while she was attempting to cross the street in a marked and well-lighted crosswalk.

“I think she went up on the hood, hit the windshield, then when he hit the brakes, she flew off the car. But she is dead. No, it’s a regular person. Yeah, just write a check. Yeah, $11,000. She was 26 anyway, she had limited value.”—Seattle police officer Daniel Auderer, joking with police union president Mike Solan about the death of pedestrian Jaahnavi Kandula earlier that night.

“I don’t think she was thrown 40 feet either,” Auderer told Solan. “I think she went up on the hood, hit the windshield, then when he hit the brakes, she flew off the car. But she is dead.” Then Auderer laughed loudly at something Solan said. “No, it’s a regular person. Yeah.”

We have asked SPOG via email what Solan asked that made Auderer clarify that Kandula was a “regular” person, as opposed to another type of person Dave might have hit.

“Yeah, just write a check,” Auderer continued. Then he laughed again for several seconds. “Yeah, $11,000. She was 26 anyway, she had limited value.” At this point, Auderer turned off his body camera and the recording stops.

Joel Merkel, the co-chair of Seattle’s Community Police Commission, called the video “shockingly insensitive.

“I was just really struck by the casual laughter and attitude—this was moments after she was killed,” Merkel said. “You have the vice president of SPOG on the telephone with the president of SPOG essentially laughing and joking about the pedestrian’s death and putting a dollar value on her head, and that alone is just disgusting and inhumane,” Merkel said.

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[–] Th4tGuyII@kbin.social 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You know, I still find it weird that officers can turn off their own bodycams...

Like imagine if Dave had thought to turn their bodycam off earlier, we wouldn't even have this recording available.

Shouldn't somebody else be responsible for deciding when the bodycams are allowed to be off other than the parties most likely to abuse that ability?

[–] hydroel@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What's horrifying to me is - if they thought about turning off their camera then, what did they say afterwards?

"Is the dog black?"

[–] IamtheMorgz@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I asked a cop a sort of sensitive question once (if I would be legally justified if I shot a dog that was aggressive) and she turned off her body cam to answer. I had to remind her to call it in (in the jurisdiction she worked in, cops have to let their dispatcher know if they are turning off their cam for any reason). She called it in after I told her to. She had no idea that (at the time) I was one of the dispatchers for that jurisdiction.

She answered the question as I was pretty sure she would, and I got why she didn't want a recording of her saying it. But also, she didn't lie or anything so I don't know why she thought it was necessary.

I had to remind her to turn it back on (and let her dispatcher know!)

Cops are dumb about their cams. You'd think if you were really confident in your ability to do your job correctly you wouldn't be worried, but hey, maybe they are just not that good at their jobs.

[–] Hobo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Dangerous game to ask a cop for legal advice. Doesn't have to be accurate and they have no obligation to tell you the truth. I get it in that situation, because it sounds like it was a what-if scenario, but no one should trust any legal advice from a cop.

[–] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That street is full of pedestrians, it could have been more. Solan is not known for being one of the "good ones."

[–] Drusas@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago

It is. This is not some middle-of-nowhere intersection.

[–] Glifted@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Infuriating, but not surprising

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

We really need a word for that, seeing as it's become extremely common..

[–] Grass@geddit.social 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This shit is worse than police corruption in fiction

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 7 points 1 year ago

If you put that stuff in a movie, people wouldn't believe it.

[–] riceandbeans161@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

that’s cops for ya. Not surprising in the least.

all fucking cops. every single one of them. rotten to the core.

[–] herescunty@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I always say I’m glad that someone does it because I wouldn’t want to. None of my friends are cops tho, and that’s not accidental.

[–] Draghetta@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

Best Union busting ad I’ve ever seen

[–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

If we are handing out checks for the value of a life, I've got one I can write for this pig cocksucker.

[–] NumbersCanBeFun@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Not even worth the ink on the paper.

[–] itscozydownhere@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago