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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'd like to remind everyone that "bee kind" includes not accepting, normalizing, and ignoring transphobic opinions and beliefs. We're all together in this.

I'd like to remind you that you don't get to redefine words.

Having said that, I spent many hours having reasoned talks with *phobes and getting then to slowly see some light somewhere. Even if it's a glimmer, I think that's worth it. You don't get to tell me that I should yell at those people.

[–] ted@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Inaction against intolerance is a form of action, is it not? "Bee kind" is not just a call to not be mean, it's a call to act in kindness.

I believe the poster is probably right in that it stirs more toward fostering acceptance rather than simply ignoring hate.

It's not compelled speech, per se—Beehaw users need to have an active role in order to make it the kind of place people want to bee.

[–] cubedsteaks@lemmy.today 1 points 1 year ago

I’d like to remind you that you don’t get to redefine words.

Yeah I don't think that's what happened and definitely didn't read it that way in the post.

[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

Agreed with points all around, just wanted to add:

  1. “People need to be educated, and you’re not going to change their minds by becoming hostile.”

It frankly isn't our job to teach bigots to not be bigots. That's on them to learn to be better people, and if they can't, then fuck 'em.

Also, frankly, being over forty years old has taught me that not becoming hostile and trying to educated these fuckin cretins doesn't work either, because they don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves. They will only care about a political issue when it affects them directly, and even then, they'll only want solutions for themselves and still act like it shouldn't be a big deal for others.

They are not acting in good faith, so why the fuck would we waste our time teaching people who want to erase us?


  1. “[Famous person] literally did the bare minimum to support gay people, so I doubt they’re transphobic.”

The only person who can name someone as an ally is someone from the community that needs allies.

If I am cisgender walk around calling myself an ally, even if I participate in allyship: I'm kind of an asshole.

If, on the other hand, I walk around participating in allyship, but rather, describe myself as "aspiring to be an ally," then: Maybe, just maybe, I'll actually do enough good works for someone in the community to think I am an ally. You don't get fucking bonus points for being Cisgender and bare minimum not being a shitheel. Actually stand up for the trans community, or take a hike, we don't need performative allyship.

I haven't seen a single megastar really stand up for the trans community.


  1. “They’re from a different time.”

Maybe they should go live in a fucking cave, then, if they can't fucking hack it in the modern world. Fucking neanderthals.

I mean Jesus tittyfucking Christ, The Second Sex was written in Nineteen Fucking Forty-Nine. How old does the concept of gender identity need to be for these jerks to fucking accept it? They need to crack open a fucking book once in a while. The idea that they're from a different time is a fucking joke when the concept itself is seventy-four fucking years old. (and very likely much older, just not articulated in Western literature)

[–] jarfil@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

How old does the concept of gender identity need to be for these jerks to fucking accept it?

Forever. Some will always oppose it; whether just to be jerks, or because it gives them control over someone.

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[–] TehPers@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

I don't know what this rant is in response to, but it's ironic that it was posted right after my wife was upset about a bunch of transphobic comments made to her friend's (semi-famous) mother being posted on another platform. It amazes me how upset people get at others who want to just live their lives to their fullest.

[–] Silverseren@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I hate point 3 whenever it's used by someone. I've seen it used to defend people who had slaves too. It's like, you know that there were anti-slavery people even back then, right? Heck, there were anti-slavery people back in Roman times.

So if they could see the wrongness of slavery as wrong then, then no one else has that excuse.

It's just that people don't want to admit that a large amount, if not an outright majority, of people in history were bad, evil people. Most people were not good. Or, at the very least, they had little empathy for others outside their immediate family.

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

True. In Germany, there are still criminal procedures held against and sentences passed on former guards of concentration camps, even though they are close to a hundred years of age. Because even though it was "normal" and even legal back then, it was never okay and always crimes against humanity.

[–] apis@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Mhmm, not to mention that the argument also erases the perspectives of everyone who was the target of terrible attitudes & institutions, and their allies. Certainly there were FAR more enslaved in the US than slave owners & all those working in the slave trade combined, yet somehow the views of a tiny minority who directly benefitted are the ones we're supposed to regard as the default?

That and, even the most ardently pro-slavery people of any era knew fine well that they would not have been cool with it had they or their loved ones been enslaved.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'll never understand how people can say the L and G are different from the B and T.

Like the B is L and G and so aren't some of the T.

There's just no logic in excluding them

Especially when you actually read a queer history book

[–] Katrisia@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Some people believe in dividing sexual orientations (LGB) from the gender identity letters (T+). During my time on Twitter, I saw it was often from a place of hate, though. I would understand something like: "Although we face similar challenges, we also have different needs that justify an LGB sub-movement". But that was almost never their attitude.

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago

The vast majority of trans folk are LGB, and the small minority that aren't are treated as if they are by bigots who deny them their gender.

LGB challenges are trans challenges

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