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The president of the right-wing group spearheading Project 2025 raised the specter of violence Tuesday against those who refuse to capitulate to what he characterized as "the second American Revolution" ushered in by presumptive GOP nominee and would-be authoritarian Donald Trump.

Kevin Roberts, head of the Heritage Foundation, said in an appearance on "Real America's Voice" that the coming "revolution" will "remain bloodless if the left allows it to be"—a thinly veiled threat against those who resist the far-right's efforts to seize power.

Trump said in April that whether there is violence surrounding the 2024 presidential election "depends" on the "fairness" of the contest and the outcome.

Watch Roberts' remarks:

https://x.com/kylegriffin1/status/1808507354310209711

"We are going to win. We're in the process of taking this country back," declared Roberts, who has said Project 2025 is "institutionalizing Trumpism" in preparation for a possible victory in November.

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[–] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 180 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (8 children)

Scheppele's assessment echoed that of the Global Project Against Hate and Extremism, which warned in an analysis published late last year that "the entire project is devoted to aggrandizing executive power by centralizing authority in the presidency, and a key aspect of democratic backsliding is viewing opposition elements as attempting to destroy the 'real' community, an essential aspect to quashing dissent."

"Project 2025 paints progressives and liberals as outside acceptable politics, and not just ideological opponents, but inherently anti-American and 'replacing American values,'" the analysis said. "Targeting vulnerable communities is a core tenet of Project 2025. Project 2025 is very clearly on a path to Christian nationalism as well as authoritarianism."

For the love of everything we care for. Please vote this November.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 138 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

But I'm just so undecided. I mean, yeah, that sounds bad, really bad, but Biden is old and had one bad performance. Forget all the other recent events where he did well, I'm only able to focus on that one bad one. /s

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 179 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

The thing that is upsetting about American fascism is not that it exists.

It's the fact that everyone is debating it like an argument about what kind of chairs you want at a wedding.

It's the same scenario that played out in 1930s Germany and the rise of Nazism ..... everyone kept arguing that it wouldn't happen, it's not like that, it isn't that bad, they have good points, we can control it, we won't let them go too far, everyone obeys the rule of law, we have morals ....

..... then we all had to literally break the entire world in order to fix the problem.

[–] cybermass@lemmy.ca 65 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I couldn't agree more, the parallel between Nazi Germany and current day America is undeniable

[–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 26 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Wonder if the rest of the sane world will have to make a deal with the devil, just not with the Soviets but the Chinese.

Imagine the Reichstag flag picture with a Chinese flag on the White House. Except everyone is in NBC suits and knows we'll go extinct in years.

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[–] Dragomus@lemmy.world 41 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I've been gently pushing for the same message but at best hear people say "oh it's just politics, and we have laws against all this so it will be years before anything can truely change"

Hitler's power was solidified in a matter of months, whereby he threatened and/or had his political opposition killed. Then he came with the excuse "I don't believe my people did this"

No one dared say any of it was against the laws, he was fully above the law and shielded anyone he felt worthy of the same, ofcourse he would have them dissappear when their use ran out..

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 38 points 4 months ago (1 children)

“From barbarism to civilization requires a century; from civilization to barbarism needs but a day.”

Will Durant

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[–] dynamic_generals@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago

It’s seeming like a tide of unthinkability bias is awashing the country. Maybe there’s a better word for the phenomenon where one just can’t contemplate what could be a really bad problem. Or if one can, ‘oh but [the grim outcome] is so far down the road…’

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[–] Canopyflyer@lemmy.world 128 points 4 months ago (5 children)

And where...

THE FUCK...

Is the FBI?

If that's not a terroristic threat, then what is?

[–] Veneroso@lemmy.world 39 points 4 months ago (3 children)

There is no criminal designation for domestic terrorists.

I wish that I was joking.

They're literally unable to act because domestic terrorist isn't codified into law.

I wonder if that has anything to do with half of Congress counting on their support......

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 22 points 4 months ago (4 children)

There is no criminal designation for conservative domestic terrorists.

FTFY.

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[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 36 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The FBI is never going to save you from rightwing violence.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago

It only applies to non-xtians, brown people, and liberals.

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[–] azimir@lemmy.ml 103 points 4 months ago (1 children)

And your God emperor is signalling bloodshed if we let you do it.

You don't negotiate or compromise with Nazis like the Project 2025 people.

[–] SGGeorwell@lemmy.world 52 points 4 months ago

Basically they’re saying, “Shut up and take it or we’ll kill you.” That is not a political platform. It’s extra-Overton. It’s domestic enemy-making.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 94 points 4 months ago

“Let us kill the undesirables or we’ll kill you too”

The man should be hanged

[–] toiletobserver@lemmy.world 70 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Conspiracy to commit treason

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 30 points 4 months ago

Sure sounds like a reason for Biden to start using these "official acts" he can't be arrested or prosecuted for.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I really hope we call it what it is this time around.

We got some pretty grave consequences on the books for treason, and I think they might be just about the only thing that can start to put this fire out.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

It won't happen. Biden has already said he won't do anything. It's ridiculous. Hopefully people like Sanders will get the ball rolling. At least he's making noise.

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[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 69 points 4 months ago

"If you don't fight back, we'll let you live" For now. Make no mistake about scorpions though.

[–] killea@lemmy.world 62 points 4 months ago

Not only are they in the process of openly subverting the Constitution of the United States, they are openly calling for violence. When declared powerful adversaries call for violence publicly, every option is on the table. Collective self defense may be necessary, and they may yet regret it.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 60 points 4 months ago (3 children)

This country is so fucked. Much of the culture is checked out; a lot of the left/liberal movement seem to be up its own asshole in goofy pandering that seems designed to only churn out more donnie voters, and the cons are making plans, and basically announcing them to everyone.

Also, I'll vote Biden no matter what this fall, but the Democratic Party had better seriously consider removing him and selecting someone else. Otherwise, Biden's chief legacy that is actually remembered will be helping to enable the dismantling of this country by being so egotistical as to think he's the only one that could beat donnie in 2024.

[–] makeasnek@lemmy.ml 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (6 children)

It's not Biden, it's the DNC's primary voters. They elected the guy, not once, but twice, maybe because he actually does a decent job and beat Don last time. There was a primary this year, I voted in it, there was more than one candidate (though I would have preferred even more), Biden actually lost a primary in American Samoa. I voted for him though, he was clearly the best of the options, nobody else even remotely competitive stepped up to be president.

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[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 54 points 4 months ago

Dear President Biden, you have sworn an oath to defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. SCOTUS has given you cover to do almost literally anything you need to do to fulfill that oath. This is what a domestic enemy looks and sounds like. In fact, this is a target rich environment, Mr. President. Please, get off your ass and get to work.

[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 42 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Oh yeah completely normal for a US think tank president to be threatening bloodshed

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[–] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 40 points 4 months ago

Kevin Roberts is a piss baby fascist who should get fucked along with his entire party.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 37 points 4 months ago (1 children)

By all means, let's just sit around and wait?

I really hope an attempt to overthrow our government is met with the terrifying force of our military. This shits been outta hand for too long.

[–] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I think it's somewhat arrogant to assume that the state violence apparatus is wholly on our side on this one.

  1. What kinds of people do you think staff the military and police, LBGT activists and climate protesters?
  2. For those not on the MAGA train but are perhaps "uncommitted", being ordered to fire on Americans may be a bridge too far.

The military will likely fracture like everything else in such a scenario. I imagine desertion, theft of equipment, and sabotage would all be huge problems until things more neatly sort themselves into "us" and "them."

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[–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 36 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We already oppose it. Shoot your guns if you're not a fucking coward.

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[–] Spitzspot@lemmings.world 35 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Threats are the domain of those bereft of ideas.

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 19 points 4 months ago

Or those who simply enjoy contemplating the violence. Like, dang it, the Left capitulated, but are you sure we can't kill just a few of them for uh... "demonstration" purposes?

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 33 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

This is a classic rerun. Leftists, buy and register firearms for defense now, because it certainly will not be bloodless.

ETA: don't just buy a firearm. Buy a bunch of small paper plates and a shit ton of cheap ammo. Use the paper plates as target and practice at a range every day. If you don't know how to handle a firearm, take a firearm safety course. They're generally pretty affordable.

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 27 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It would be great if the US could join reality with the rest of the developed world at some point. FFS, America. You're not doing well.

[–] p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world 37 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

You think the majority of us wants this?

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Indeed. This country is so rigged to favor the cons due to how unevenly things are tilted to the rural areas and giving them far too much of a voice. The cons are WAY over-represented in Congress and a con has not won the popular vote in how long?

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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Honestly. It would be nice if a former fascist government sent troops to liberate us. Germany, want to return the favor we did you back in the 1940s? We need the help, and maybe you can prevent a new Holocaust. Now, I'll grant that it will be tougher, as we are a nuclear power and nuclear powers can pretty much do what they want on the world stage. You guys didn't have those when we came along and cleared out your fascists. Don't worry, though. If you do send a force to liberate us, I'll comply with all their orders and give them whatever assistance they need.

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[–] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 23 points 4 months ago

Again, keep this in mind when you see people urging you to not vote against Trump. Also note how you almost never see any of them in the comment sections of stories critical of Trump. The few that do show up usually only try and whatabout it into being about how Biden is bad.

[–] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

As a trans person I am looking forward to being killed by a fascist screaming liberty.

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[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago

I'm ready to hear what the Joint Chiefs of the US military have to say about this. They stepped in to lend some clarity a couple of times in 2020 when bullshit was getting too flagrantly unconstitutional, to remind everyone of the military's oath to uphold the Constitution regardless of who is in command (they also officially stated that Biden was commander in chief in Jan. 2021)

[–] Omega_Man@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago (3 children)

What's going to be infuriating is when the killing starts, so many people will act like this was unavoidable.

Remember being gaslit in 2016?

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[–] makeasnek@lemmy.ml 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)
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[–] HogsTooth@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago (3 children)
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[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Trump is just the side show to this. He’ll be playing golf and making terrible speeches while this architecture goes up around him. It’ll be SCOTUS 2.0 on a larger, more inclusive scale.

Instead of the meandering disorganized crap of 2016-2020, with most executive office jobs left unfilled, it’ll be project 2025.

The choice here rests with the under 40 crowd. Vote for or against it.

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