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Canada's housing minister says the federal government isn't ruling out changes to its ambitious immigration targets, but maintains the country should also focus on what it can do to increase housing supply when it comes to addressing current housing challenges.

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago

This is extremely irresponsible politicking on behalf of the Liberals. It is a right-populist distraction from the issue of the housing crisis that opens up a highway for the Tories.

This country needs immigrants and it needs housing. Neither the Tories nor the Liberals are doing anything to address that.

[–] BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

INB4 "Math is racist".

Immigration is critical to our future, and given our fertility rates we don't have many options. But for everyone person we bring into the country that's one less bed available to anyone already here.

Personally if it were me I'd only allow trades people to come in until we actually have any sort of plan on how to deal with the housing crisis. We have tent cities all across this country right now and an epidemic of homeless people, more and more of which were "normal" Canadians.

The Feds need to treat housing like the infrastructure it is, and get off their asses to do something (anything?) about it.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Immigration is critical to our future, and given our fertility rates we don’t have many options. But for [every one] person we bring into the country[,] that’s one less bed available to anyone already here.

Correct. The problem is people won't die as early as they used to; and so we either raise the retirement age or we care for our old people with temporary foreign workers who then leave before they burden the system they prop up. It's worked for many other countries.

See how the Tory withdrawal of accessible care will fix the ageing problem, though? Yay! Going all American with mercenary healthcare and 'f u grandma' with everything else is also how the Tory plan will kill grandpa with life-expectancy changes.

Personally if it were me I’d only allow trades people to come in until we actually have any sort of plan on how to deal with the housing crisis.

Let's build matchstick bungalows and low-dense firetrap apartments as far as the eye can see. I love it when one guy leaving a stove on or burning a candle in 4c renders an entire building of people homeless.

And let's grab resources before we have a plan? Ready, fire, aim?

There are planned communities of high-density, mixed-use buildings that better alleviate housing, better localize services and provide space for mom-n-pop stores and use central space more effectively allowing us to give back excess space for greenspace and carbon capture.

Space is being used by bungalows, single-family 1- or two- storey dwellings hoarding greenspace and stretching infrastructure into an unmanageable sprawl (see: Detroit).

We have tent cities all across this country right now and an epidemic of homeless people, more and more of which were “normal” Canadians.

An appeal to charity is a logical fallacy meant to cloud the issue, although your inclusion here was probably accidental.

'Which' in place of 'whom' renders people into objects. Careful.

The Feds need to treat housing like the infrastructure it is, and get off their asses to do something (anything?) about it.

There are so many problems with this one too. Initially: perceived inaction is not indicative of a lack of planning; that's what proper planning looks like on the outside. 'Ready fire aim' won't get you in on the planning sessions, though, so you may need to wait for the experts to do their job.

Just stop electing cruel anti-people leaders backed by land-baron donators, let the people do their work, and ensure the more progressive leaders who will champion these ideas get and stay where they're needed.

[–] Xyphius@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago

Agreed. Fix the situation internally before we can help those externally. I'm all for providing help to those that need it, but when we don't have the resources to help anyone, we need to do something about it.

[–] Frederic@beehaw.org -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Where are we going to put 465k immigrants this year? then 485k next year then 500k in 2 years? In what schools all those kids will go? In what hospitals all those ill people will go? I understand we need immigrants, I'm one, but we are missing housing and all others services!

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, now you've used the ladder to climb up, you should yank that ladder up and prevent others. Hypocrisy is fun, but it does expose your voting habits.

[–] Templa@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

100%. It is interesting that we never see these numbers with context. Is always just "half a million immigrants coming in" but never numbers that give some perspective along with that such deficit of skilled labour needed per industry or a deficit of births (something in the lines of that). Is always out of context numbers that support people with the theoretic that immigration is the main issue and that immigrants are arriving to work on unskilled jobs.