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Too many users abused unlimited Dropbox plans, so they’re getting limits::Some people have taken "as much space as you need" too literally.

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[–] Illecors@lemmy.cafe 156 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I just don't get it. If it's unlimited - in what universe is using it beyond 15TB considered abuse?

I get the reseller part, I get the stupid chia mining part. But if they can say that was the problem - then get rid of those users, as clearly you have already identified them. Don't shift the blame away from your dumbass marketing team onto your users and play an innocent company.

I can't believe how much support dropbox is getting. People seem to accept, without questioning, every bollocks pr statement these days.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I worked for a company that was offering unlimited storage to its too tier customers.

I brought it up in a meeting when we first started talking about it.

"Okay but you don't mean unlimited. That's bad PR waiting to happen."

[–] Illecors@lemmy.cafe 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What did they say to your remark?

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Roughly

"what do you mean?"

"You cannot offer something that doesn't exist. If Amazon decided to become a client, we'd be in a world of hurt."

"It's fine none of our clients use more than a few hundred gigs"

This was in 2018. They still offer unlimited storage. So I guess, what do I know?

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Wow that’s low. If I’m paying for unlimited I expect to at least go over 2TB since I have the space

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[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Got thrown out of a window

[–] T156@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Especially since 15TB isn't all that big. It's not tiny, but it's also not out of the reach of a reasonably high end computer, or for a video editor who might need a lot of space for raws/recordings.

It's not like they're looking at users eating up Petabytes of data, or something silly, where some restriction might be understandable.

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[–] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 153 points 1 year ago (48 children)

You can’t abuse something that has no limit. Stop calling things unlimited and then blaming users when they are not.

[–] poke@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I read somewhere about someone who took a zip file, copied it and zipped it with the copy over and over again until the file size ballooned to petabytes. I would consider that sort of pointless use of storage to be abuse.

[–] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Then put an * and say that there are a couple well documented exceptions, like zip bombing or don’t call it unlimited and call it up to 100TB for x dollars.

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[–] ultratiem@lemmy.ca 70 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can’t abuse unlimited. That’s why it’s called “UNlimited.” I hate this two faced, corporate back sludge that always, and I mean always, puts it on the consumer as if they did something wrong. When in reality, it’s the company that is redlining or needs to boost those unsustainable goal of doubling revenue every quarter, ad infinitum.

The real narrative is Dropbox needs money so they are scrambling to cut every expense. No matter what spin they put on it.

[–] Mane25@feddit.uk 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If they were just honest about it and say "this is expensive so we need to put the prices up", I would have a lot more respect for that.

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 69 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

How the fuck do you abuse unlimited access? This is just a company blaming an idea that was always going to be unsustainable on their customers and not their own damn lack of forethought.

[–] baronvonj@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It was a business plan and they found hardly any of the plan subscribers were actually businesses, and I'm guessing reselling your unlimited data was against the ToS.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

It was a business plan and they found hardly any of the plan subscribers were actually businesses

And why the fuck would that matter? If they can't handle some random's porn and piracy collection, how the fuck would they handle a legit business? lol

Reselling an account would hurt their bottom line, but still have no effect on providing the storage. Imposing a limit doesn't stop that though, other than perhaps by making the product worthless and therefore unworthy of reselling.

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[–] echo64@lemmy.world 56 points 1 year ago

everything here is wrong, and blaming the users is wrong. Please try to read past the PR speak. and shame on ars for not doing that.

the unlimited plan is going away to force companies that were using it, to switch to their new unlimited plan which is now called Enterprise and will generate a lot more money for them. The plan still exists, they've changed the requirements so you can only get it if you spend a lot of money.

[–] Mane25@feddit.uk 48 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I remember in the 90s, my dial-up provider started offering an "unmetered" plan with no per minute charge (for younger people, believe it or not we were once charged by the minute for connecting to the internet). After a short while we were inundated with emails from the ISP complaining that people were "abusing the service" by going on the internet for "hours at a time". Just reminded me of this and how it's an old excuse.

No, you can't "abuse" an unlimited service by using too much, it's unlimited.

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[–] silvercove@lemdro.id 46 points 1 year ago

Don't offer unlimited if you can't deliver unlimited. FFS

[–] alienanimals@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

Corporate bootlickers: OMG they're actually using our unlimited service as if they were unlimited. THIS IS ABUSE!1!

[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 year ago

Then it was never unlimited to begin with, wtf?

Eh... If you offer unlimited you have to live with unlimited.

Fuck these people but thats also on Dropbox.

[–] jwagner7813@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

What they meant to say was "We didn't have the foresight to monetize these heavy users, so we will be doing that now. But first we'll create the problem..."

"Abused"? Is it unlimited or not? I don't see how as much as you need can be taken too literally. It's either true or it isn't.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My only concern about throttling it as 5TB for small organizations is that I could see that being a problem for freelance video editors. 8K video can take up a lot of space.

[–] kill_dash_nine@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

At some point though I feel like if someone would be using Dropbox for 8k videos, they should be wondering if they are using the right solution for their needs. I would say absolutely not.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Temporary storage of, say, a documentary with hundreds of hours of video so it can be transferred from the cameras to the editor who is working remotely seems like exactly the sort of thing Dropbox is for.

[–] kill_dash_nine@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe I’m applying too much of my own personal use case for how I use tools like Dropbox then. I’m using it for documents I actually want synchronized between devices, with a cloud backup and history. I suppose if you’re looking at it for a cloud storage solution, ignoring the desktop sync aspect then I can see where that makes more sense.

I just have a hard time wrapping my head around using cloud storage for such large files being an optimal solution but then again if storage cost is the biggest objection, unlimited storage sounds like it’s removing said objection and you don’t have much choice if you’re working as a remote team so great point, I hadn’t thought about it like that.

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[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

~~I always hated the term unlimited when it's not really unlimited. Is it really abuse if you're using it as intended?~~

Edit: I eat my words. People are assholes. I thought this was referring to providers of unlimited storage or bandwidth, only to say "oh, you've using it too much, so we're going to throttle you."

[–] doublejay1999@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I think you are right the first time.

“Unlimited “ only ever an advertising term, to garner attention. No one ever intends to deliver on it .

[–] johnthedoe@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

I remember when google photos offered unlimited when it first came out. Called that off pretty damn quick

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[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 7 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


This was intended to free business users from needing to worry about quotas.

The company said in a blog post yesterday that it was retiring its unlimited storage policy specifically because people were buying Dropbox Advanced accounts "for purposes like crypto and Chia mining, unrelated individuals pooling storage for personal use cases, or even instances of reselling storage."

Dropbox also says that this behavior has been getting worse recently because other services have also been placing caps on their storage plans—at some point within the last year, Google also removed similar "as much as you need" language from its Google Workspace plans.

Rather than attempting to police behavior or play whack-a-mole with the people abusing the service, Dropbox has imposed a 15TB cap on organizations with three or fewer users.

An additional 5TB per user can be added on top of that, with a maximum cap of 1,000TB per organization.

New customers will be affected by this policy change immediately, as you'll see if you check the current pricing for Dropbox Advanced plans.


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