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[–] NENathaniel@lemmy.ca 265 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The triple whammy of semiconductor shortage, pandemic and cryptocunts has really fucked PC gaming for a generation. The price is way out of line with the capabilities compared to a PS5.

I'm still on a 1060 for my PC, and it's only my GSync monitor that saves it. Variable frame rates really is great for all PC games tbh. You don't have to frig about with settings as much because Opening Bare Area runs at 60fps, but the later Hall of a Million Alpha Effects runs at 30. You just let it rip between 40 and 80, no tearing, and fairly even frame pacing. The old "is this game looking as good as it can on my hardware while still playing smoothly?" question goes away, because you just get extra frames instead, and just knock the whole thing down one notch when it gets too bad. I'm spending more time playing and less time tweaking and that can only be a good thing.

[–] Raz@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm just clutching my pre-covid, pre-shortage GTX 1080ti. Hoping it'll keep powering through a little longer. Honestly, it's an amazing card. If it ever dies on me or becomes too obsolete, I'll frame it and hang it on my wall.

I just wish AMD cards were better at ray tracing and "work" than Nvidia cards. Otherwise I'd have already splurged on an AMD if I could.

[–] LetMeEatCake@lemm.ee 157 points 1 year ago (5 children)

GPU prices being affordable is definitely not a priority of AMD's. They price everything to be barely competitive with the Nvidia equivalent. 10-15% cheaper for comparable raster performance but far worse RT performance and no DLSS.

Which is odd because back when AMD was in a similar performance deficit on the CPU front (Zen 1, Zen+, and Zen 2), AMD had absolutely no qualms or (public) reservations about pricing their CPUs where they needed to be. They were the value kings on that front, which is exactly what they needed to be at the time. They need that with GPUs and just refuse to go there. They follow Nvidia's pricing lead.

[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 113 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Corporations are not our friends. 🤷‍♂️

[–] justsomeguy345@lemmy.ml 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

something many people overlook is how intertwined nvidia, intel and amd are. not only does the personnel routinely switch between those companies but they also have the same top share holders. there's no natural competition between them. it's like a choreograhped light saber fight where all of them are swinging but none seem to have any intention to hit flesh. a show to make sure nobody says the m word.

[–] tryagain@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They're cycling out the old curse words. The Carlin ones are now fine. The new list is:

  • Monopoly
  • Union
  • Rights
  • Child labor
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[–] LetMeEatCake@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

I agree, it's just strange from a business perspective too. Obviously the people in charge of AMD feel that this is the correct course of action, but they've been losing ground for years and years in the GPU space. At least as an outside observer this approach is not serving them well for GPU. Pricing more aggressively today will hurt their margins temporarily but with such a mindshare dominated market they need to start to grow their marketshare early. They need people to use their shit and realize it's fine. They did it with CPUs...

[–] InputZero@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

Say it loud and say it proud, cooperations are no one's friend!

[–] bassomitron@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

100%. Outside of brand loyalty, I just simply don't see any reason to buy AMD's higher tier GPUs over Nvidia right now. And that's coming from a long, long time AMD fan.

Sure, their raster performance is comparable at times, but almost never actually beats out similar tiers from Nvidia. And regardless, DLSS virtually nullifies that, especially since the vast majority of games for the last 4 years or so now support it. So I genuinely don't understand AMD trying to price similarly to Nvidia. Their high end cards are inferior in almost every objective metric that matters to the majority of users, yet still ask for $1k for their flagship GPU.

Sorry for the tangent, I just wish AMD would focus on their core demographic of users. They have phenomenal CPUs and middling GPUs, so target your demographics accordingly, i.e. good value budget and mid-tier GPUs. They had that market segment on complete lockdown during the RX 580 era, I wish they'd return to that. Hell, they figured it out with their console APUs. PS5/XSX are crazy good value. Maybe their next generation will shift that way in their PC segment.

[–] LetMeEatCake@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

It's especially egregious with high end GPUs. Anyone paying >$500 for a GPU is someone that wants to enable ray tracing, let alone at a $1000. I don't get what AMD is thinking at these price points.

FSR being an open feature is great in many ways but long-term its hardware agnostic approach is harming AMD. They need hardware accelerated upscaling like Nvidia and even Intel. Give it some stupid name similar name (Enhanced FSR or whatever) and make it use the same software hooks so that both versions can run off the same game functions (similar to what Intel did with XeSS).

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[–] glibg10b@lemmy.ml 60 points 1 year ago (2 children)

AMD's had some buggy drivers and misleading graphs, but they're overall infinitely more consumer-friendly than Nvidia

[–] ruination@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 1 year ago

It is the lesser of two evils imo. Not saying that AMD is any good, their alternatives are just that bad.

[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

drivers have been solid for years now

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[–] kaito@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago (2 children)

AMD is the only real option for those of us using Linux. Nvidia's weirdnesses regularly fill up support tickets on Linux forums it's not even funny

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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Am I having a stroke, or does that actually say "here's the our source code"?

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[–] leave_it_blank@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I just bought my first Nvidia card since the TNT2. Up to today I always looked for the most FPS for the money.

This time my focus was on energy efficiency, and the AMD cards suck at the moment. 4070 about 200w, 6800 about 300w. AMD really has to fix that.

Regarding DLSS: I activated it in control, and it looks... off? Edges seem unsharp, not all the time, but often, sometimes only for a second, sometimes longer. I believe it is the only game I have that has support for it, but I'm not impressed.

At OP: Brand loyality is the worst. Neither Nvidia nor AMD like you. Get the best value for your money.

Btw, Nvidia needed an account to let me use their driver. Holy shit, that's fucked up!

[–] PrivacyBean@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

There is a way around the account requirement. I uninstalled GeForce experience forever ago

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[–] Phishr42@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

4070 about 200w, 6800 about 300w. AMD really has to fix that.

But if you compare cards from the same generation, like the 3070 and 6800, they're much closer. Nvidia still has the edge, but the 3070 TGP is 220W vs the 6800 at 250W.

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[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

As an AMD fanboy, I approve of this.

And now, for a serious note: been running linux daily for almost 20 years and AMD machines are, per my personal experience, always smoother to install, run and maintain.

[–] be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

I've been intel w/ nvidia since 2007 on Linux. Recent trends have me thinking AMD is the way to go for my next one though. I think I've got so used to the rough edges of Nvidia that they stopped bothering me.

As someone who has been ignoring AMD for most of this time, (my last AMD product was something in the Athlon XP line), can I do Intel CPU w/ AMD discrete GPU?

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[–] Anonymousllama@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Keen to see how FSR3 ends up looking, if it comes within decent parity to DLSS3 it's going to be amazing, considering it's hardware agnostic so theoretically console devs can use it to boost framerates.

[–] the_el_man@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

AMD confirmed works on console. First impressions by Digital Foundry etc said it exceeded expectations, however they weren't allowed to play it. Hopefully lag isn't terrible

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[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We've come a long, long way, baby.

[–] xerazal@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Amd's epyc server cpus would be like 64 Machamp. Mf is huge and requires a hell of a cooler. See them at the datacenter I work at and when I opened the server up I thought I was looking at a turbocharged car engine or something.

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[–] NENathaniel@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I’m confused, was there a time when i3 cores were better than i5?

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[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That is what you have to do if you're behind the competition. Don't think they'll keep this up for long if they happen to be the industry leader.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Always back the underdoge

[–] Alto@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Corporations aren't your friend.

My rig is full AMD (5800x/5700xt), but that's purely because they happened to be the better value at the time. The second they get a lead in the consumer GPU market (which they likely will since nvidia simply doesn't care about it vs the ML market now) prices are going to rise again.

And don't pretend that these prices are anything resembling affordable. That would be when you could get a legitimately mid-range card for ~$150 (rx580).

[–] Spudwart@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Corporations aren’t your friend.

Correct. But AMD is doing things that benefit FOSS and Linux, where as nVidia is a menace. Intel is also doing pretty decent, they just need to catch up in terms of driver features.

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[–] phej@reddthat.com 16 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I'm still using my EVGA GeForce 1070. When it's time to upgrade, I'm going with AMD.

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[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I am super happy with my 7950X3D. However, their GPU drivers still need some work for the 7900XTX.

[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I used to have lots of driver crashing and weirdness on my RX 580, but I've had mostly smooth sailing with my 6600 XT.

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[–] totallymojo@ttrpg.network 11 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Have I just had bad luck with my AMD products?
I've had four Nvidia GPU/Intel CPU computers with no issues.
I've had three AMD GPU/AMD CPU computers and they all have been loud and hot and slightly unstable. A bit cheaper sure, but I rather have a silent and stable experience.
This has made me see amd as the inferior lowbudget crap. But maybe I have just bought from the wrong manufacturer or something.

[–] bandario@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

You have just been unlucky. I've never had any such issue. Were you using stock CPU cooler? I'll admit the CPU cooler that comes in the box with AMD is atrocious.

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[–] 6502@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I like AMD but they're still overpriced, nothing compelling in the $200-300 range since 5600 XT and RX 580, and I keep hearing stories about unoptimized drivers (can't confirm myself cause I'm still on 5600 XT with mostly older games). They're the lesser of two evils, but they're far from chad-doge behavior at this point.

[–] gerryflap@feddit.nl 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My problem when buying my last GPU is that AMD's answer to CUDA, ROCm, was just miles behind and not really supported on their consumer GPUs. From what I se now that has changed for the better, but it's still hard to trust when CUDA is so dominant and mature. I don't want to reward NVIDIA, but I want to use my GPU for some deep learning projects too and don't really have a choice at the moment.

[–] jayrodtheoldbod@midwest.social 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've become more and more convinced that considerations like yours, which I do not understand since I don't rely on GPUs professionally, have been the main driver of Nvidia's market share. It makes sense.

The online gamer talk is that people just buy Nvidia for no good reason, it's just internet guys refusing to do any real research because they only want a reason to stroke their own egos. This gamer-based GPU market is a loud minority whose video games don't seem to rely too heavily on any card features for decent performance, or especially compatibility, with what they're doing. Thus, the constant idea that people "buy Nvidia for no good reason except marketing".

But if AMD cards can't really handle things like machine learning, then obviously that is a HUGE deficiency. The public probably isn't certain of its needs when it spends $400 on a graphics card, it just notices that serious users choose Nvidia for some reason. The public buys Nvidia, just in case. Maybe they want to do something they haven't thought of yet. I guess they're right. The card also plays games pretty well, if that's all they ever do.

If you KNOW for certain that you just want to play games, then yeah, the AMD card offers a lot of bang for your buck. People aren't that certain when they assemble a system, though, or when they buy a pre-built. I would venture that the average shopper at least entertains the idea that they might do some light video editing, the use case feels inevitable for the modern PC owner. So already they're worrying about maybe some sort of compatibility issue with software they haven't bought, yet. I've heard a lot of stories like yours, and so have they. I've never heard the reverse. I've never heard somebody say they'd like to try Nvidia but they need AMD. Never. So everyone tends to buy Nvidia.

The people dropping the ball are the reviewers, who should be putting a LOT more emphasis on use cases like yours. People are putting a lot of money into labs for exhaustive testing of cooling fans for fuck’s sake, but just running the same old gaming benchmarks like that's the only thing anyone will ever do with the most expensive component in the modern PC.

I've also heard of some software that just does not work without CUDA. Those differences between cards should be tested and the results made public. The hardware journalism scene needs to stop focusing so hard on damned video games and start focusing on all the software where Nvidia vs AMD really does make a difference, maybe it would force AMD to step up its game. At the very least, the gamebros would stop acting like people buy Nvidia cards for no reason except some sort of weird flex.

No, dummy, AMD can't run a lot of important shit that you don't care about. There's more to this than the FPS count on Shadow of the Tomb Raider.

[–] gerryflap@feddit.nl 4 points 1 year ago

Well the counterpoint is that NVIDIA's Linux drivers are famously garbage, which also pisses off professionals. From what I see from AMD now with ROCm, it seems like they've gone the right way. Maybe they can convince me next time I'm on the lookout for a GPU.

But overall you're right yeah. My feeling is that AMD is competitive with NVIDIA regarding price/performance, but NVIDIA has broader feature support. This is both in games and in professional use cases. I do feel like AMD is steadily improving in the past years though. In the gaming world FSR seems almost as ubiquitous (or maybe even more ) as DLSS, and ROCm support seems to have grown rapidly as well. Hopefully they keep going, so I'll have a choice for my next GPU.

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[–] Moubai@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

i can't encode my video with amd gpu, this is why i stay with nvidia and his Nvenc. When amd will propose this kind of use, maybe i will change my gpu

[–] Batbro@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why can't you? Encoder has been on parity for years

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 7 points 1 year ago

The current gen consoles having pretty weak raytracing will play for AMD quite a bit here. It means that games can't demand anything higher than a PS5 can do, and since AMD provide that then their stuff will still do for modern PC games.

The frame generation is a red herring in my book. A quick look at a few videos shows similar artifacts to what my 4K TV made if you leave the awful motion smoothing settings on. 40-50fps with VRR is a much better "make the poorly optimised game playable" goal.

[–] EatBorekYouWreck@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I’m sorry, is a $1000 now cheap for gpu? I remember when an 80 series cost $500 and it felt expensive.

[–] Spudwart@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Genuinely what are you talking about?

RX 7800 xt is dropping beginning of next month at $500 and it's a beast of a GPU.

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[–] Crabhands@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

I get it, however when I'm paying $1000+ for a GPU, I want the best for my money now. Not take part in some bigger than me ploy to even out companies.

Government regulations > a few people buying a worse GPU

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