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It'll be the cheapest place, by an absurd margin, to play Baldur's Gate 3.

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[–] janNatan@lemmy.ml 46 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Series S is the cheapest way to play the game by an absurd margin? Steam Deck is only about $100 more and it plays the game just fine.

[–] bright_side_@beehaw.org 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Absurd is too strong of a word, but 100$ ain't nothing. Not for everyone.

[–] lemillionsocks@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

It's literally 1/3rd more expensive and thats not an insignificant amount. If your rent increased by 1/3rd tomorrow you'd probably be pissed and if you had a 33.33 percent chance of getting struck by lightning by stepping outside tomorrow you'd probably stay indoors that day.

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[–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've played this on my deck, and it is playable, but the frame rate was not stable unless it capped it 30 and the graphics had to be dialed back a bit. If the S can hit 60 then it's already a better version.

[–] janNatan@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I play at 900p60. Turn literally everything to low or off except textures at medium. Enable the AMD upscaling to the highest quality setting (forget what it's called). Be sure to turn off Antialiasing (don't really need it at high resolutions) and God rays. Turn off all optional things but those two are the most important. Also, if BG3 is installed to an SD card, then enable slow HDD mode.

It still stutters a little when transitioning to cut scenes, but I believe that exists in all PC versions.

Edit: And I have made it (what I think is) mostly through Act 2. I've also hosted an online session with my friend (who also plays on Steam Deck using my settings) and my husband (gaming laptop) with no issues.

[–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

I was just playing it from a mates library, going to wait for the Series X version now to carry on. Cheers though.

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[–] Ashtear@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Asking out of genuine ignorance here: is there a setup that allows a 100+ GB game to be played on the 64GB Steam Deck?

[–] Dangdoggo@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You can plug in an SD card and install it there, it will have longer load times but shouldn't affect gameplay much otherwise.

Edit: You can also expand the USB slots and get an external SSD

[–] BrownKong@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

128GB micro SD cards are like $12. 512GB is maybe 40$. Can get a 1TB SD card for $100 but I think the 512 is a good middle ground between price and storage.

[–] Ashtear@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, 256 is around $20 last I looked, too. Not bad. Been considering getting one, probably not for anything with an install this large, but it's nice to know I'd have the option.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.one 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] rgb3x3@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

God damn, I'm still somehow extremely impressed by how small storage has gotten. That's wild.

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[–] janNatan@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Yes, a 256GB+ SD Card. Be sure to enable slow HDD mode in BG3 settings if you're installing to an SD Card. (It will help loading screen times at the cost of using more RAM.)

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.one 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Not currently, no. They burned enough dev cycles trying to get split screen co-op on the S that now BOTH the S and X versions are delayed, which I guess is better than "not happening at all."

The S has every right to exist, but as soon as it starts interfering with Series X development (which has been for a while now), it's time for it to go.

Microsoft needs to cut it loose like the boat anchor it is and just release a discless Series X and call it good.

[–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's one game. By and large developers have managed to get games running pretty well and feature complete ok the S. Some really impressive attempts like the Cyberpunk version. Everyone is thowing the baby out with the bathwater over one game.

[–] Reddit_Is_Trash@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's one game that actually utilizes the power of the series x, and isn't watered down to work on the S.

Think of all the games that were made worse because they HAD to run on lower quality hardware

[–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Modern games sucks. I truly believe this push for graphics has worsened game development and quality.

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[–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Quite frankly, I don't think that's true.

We've got games coming out at the moment that use Unreal 5 and it's next gen features that are still coming out on the S like Immortals or Remnant 2. They have reduced fidelity on the S as expected but they still run fine there. BG3 is literally held up over one issue, the split-screen, that they're apparently still working on to see if they can patch it back in post launch, MS clearly just let them launch without it to take a win back from Sony.

[–] ampersandrew@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait until you hear about all of the dev cycles spent getting games on the Switch.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In most cases, Nintendo platforms are ignored by 3rd parties. Non-Nintendo games rarely sell well there:

https://www.vgchartz.com/article/449937/the-switchs-growing-third-party-problem/

[–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

All sorts of "impossible" poets were being made to switch a few years ago. Witcher 3, Doom, Wolfenstein 2, etc. The games have moved on to the point it's not feasible anymore, but they would put them on there if they could.

[–] ampersandrew@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

All it becomes is a platform with its own strengths and tradeoffs should you decide to target it. It doesn't mean that it's time for it to go.

[–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.one 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The series S is the only thing keeping spec sheets in check. Without the Series S, Id say the steam deck and low end PC gamers suffer.

[–] people_are_cute@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My cheap mainstream laptop runs the game on mid settings just fine. It cost ~500 USD.

[–] ObiGynKenobi@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Good luck installing BG3 on that 64GB eMMC, mate.

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[–] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

I'd imagine it doesn't look very nice on a big screen TV while providing decent performance on the Steam Deck.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Am I misreading your comment? You're saying Series S is not the cheapest because Steam Deck is more expensive? Did you have a typo? Am I suffering CO poisoning?

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[–] Gordon_Freeman@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago (7 children)

AAA PC exclusive titles also have the right to exists.

I miss playing good first person shooters...

[–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Everything has the right to exist, whether it can financially justify the development costs is anoyjer matter.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't blame the lack of good shooters on consoles. Consoles never interfered with that before. I blame the popularity of Battle Royale. Everything is a fucking BR now. And it's not like they just took the gameplay style; they also took the jank.

All the best new shooters are indy developed boomer shooters with retro aesthetics. And I'm getting kinda over that, too. The genre needs some new ideas.

[–] Gordon_Freeman@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I miss playing good shooters since the PS360 era, way before the battle royale genre entered the game.

It's when the genre exploded on consoles and it was when the genre was overly simplified and dumbed down

Before, some multiplatform FPS changed between the PC version and the console version. The console versions often had maps changed or even completely removed (and enemies where altered too) because they where too much for a controller

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[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

By an absurd margin? Motherfucker the steam deck is $400. If you buy a series s over a deck you're a fool.

[–] ObiGynKenobi@beehaw.org 10 points 1 year ago

The Series S is very frequently on sale for $50 off, sometimes more, and often comes with a bundled controller or game.

The Deck is only playable in Act 1. The frame rate in other acts struggles to reach 20 FPS, even on low settings. Also, the $400 deck you're referencing cannot even install the game unless you buy an accompanying microSD (which I can't imagine provides a good BG3 experience) or an SSD which you then crack open the steam deck to install (which will be too intimidating to most casual, non-tech people).

$450+ is a more accurate price point for playing BG3 on Steam Deck; 50% more than the Xbox MSRP, which is significantly discounted every few weeks. The Xbox will also offer a much more convenient experience to those who want to play the game on their TVs, and the game will look nicer on that hardware.

The Deck is an awesome little device, but you're overselling it here, and ignoring a lot of nuance.

[–] cobra89@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean it's definitely not a great experience on the steam deck. I would imagine even the Series S can run the game better than the Deck can. Especially at 1080p since the deck only has an 800p screen. (Yes you can dock it but the experience will be even worse than the already reportedly poor visuals on the 800p screen)

If that report about the Series S losing split screen is true that seems like a pretty good compromise while also allowing a decent quality single player experience for Series S owners.

[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is a great experience, I do not know where this sentiment keeps coming from.

[–] cobra89@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

How far are you in the game? It gets worse the further you get in the game.

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[–] rgb3x3@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The steam deck is about half as powerful as the Series S. If you don't want mobile gaming, there's zero reason to buy the steam deck over the Series S.

[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The steam library, full Linux operating system, and emulation of current gen Nintendo games is far from zero reason.

[–] ObiGynKenobi@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And if a person doesn't care about the steam library, linux operating system or emulation? If they just want to play BG3 and other modern games on their couch, running natively on their machine in a convenient, no-fuss manner? Will you admit that, for that person, the Steam Deck is a terrible option and they'd be far better served, both financially and visually, by buying an Xbox Series S, even at MSRP?

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[–] rotmulaaginskyrim@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Article is well written, and I agree with most of it actually.

[–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Microsoft did the right thing by softening their stance on system parity. Insisting on it would have hurt the Xbox further along the line, but now devs know they can still release on Xbox if they can’t get one or two features to run on the S.

It's already been hurting them a lot it sounds like. I don't think Baldur's Gate is the first game to not release on Xbox because they couldn't achieve system parity with the S. If they've really softened on it, then that's a good idea. Better late than never.

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I didn't know it wasn't on Xbox, that's GOTTA be hurtin em. I'm sure they'll learn from this and make whatever exceptions need to be made far earlier next time.

[–] Spuddlesv2@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s not in PS5 yet either. Doesn’t come out for another week.

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[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If I'm not mistaken the only reason it's not already on Xbox is because Microsoft insisted it needs to have shared screen on all models, which proved to be problematic and eventually impossible on S, but they refused to release it on X in the meantime.

Basically it's very much Microsoft's own doing.

[–] ampersandrew@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We don't know that it's impossible on the S. It may yet happen sometime after launch.

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[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago

Just gotta change some settings and it's perfectly playable throughout the game.

[–] lemillionsocks@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also while it's neat that they made the game as pretty as they did, this is at the end of the day an isometric turn based crpg. It shouldnt be that hard to scale down.

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