‘We’re in 1938 now’: Putin’s war in Ukraine and lessons from history : usa

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 3 points 3 months ago

So, WW3 soon?

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

This article advocates fighting Russia and not being a "coward", but Germany didn't have nuclear weapons in 38

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Neither did we (that’s an inclusive “we” since literally nobody had them)

But more to the point, Russia isn’t going to nuke Ukraine— the whole reason Putin wants it is for both its strategic value and for its abundant resources. Using even tactical nukes would wipe out that value. It might even be enough for the Russian people (or his fellow oligarchs) to overthrow him.

Not to mention that it would trigger WWIII— they’re at a stalemate with Ukraine. Just imagine what would happen if they had to do a big boy fight with the US.

Edit: and, after his recent meeting with Xi, I’m curious as to how China would respond. Maybe not so much in Putin’ favor as he believes.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 2 points 3 months ago

Just imagine what would happen if they had to do a big boy fight with the US.

Pretty sure that would be the end of our species

[–] Habahnow@sh.itjust.works -3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Your right we should let countries with nuclear weapons do what they want and hope they aren't malicious.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 3 points 3 months ago

That's not what I said.

[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago

Sweet, neo-con propaganda!

[–] x4740N@lemm.ee -2 points 3 months ago

I feel like putins regime is going to collapse in a similar way to "communist" russia

[+] davel@lemmy.ml -7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

Given Putin’s unrivalled record of broken promises

That’s rich.

NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University.
The Ukraine Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
Former German Chancellor Merkel Admits that Minsk Peace Agreements Were Part of Scheme for Ukraine to Buy Time to Prepare for War With Russia
Zelensky admits he never intended to implement Minsk agreements
The West’s Sabotage of Peace in Ukraine In May of [2022] Ukrainian media reported that then-British prime minister Boris Johnson had flown to Kiev the previous month to pass on the message on behalf of the western empire that “Putin is a war criminal, he should be pressured, not negotiated with,” and that “even if Ukraine is ready to sign some agreements on guarantees with Putin, they are not.”

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

These all seem like very reputable sources. You can tell they're quality by how much time they spend attacking other news sources and by how strenuously they stress that "we're telling the truth" .

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Keep on consuming propaganda from Five Eyes governments, think tanks, and corporate media then, I guess. Stick with AFM- and MBFC-approved media, or else you might learn something.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works -2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Being "contrarian" is not the same as "being true."

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I don’t know why you persist in framing things as “contrarian.”
One could just as well say, “Being ‘conformist’ is not the same as ‘being true.’” Neither one is wrong, but neither is especially enlightening, either.

Edit to add: And BTW, the links above about the media are not the least bit controversial or “contrarian”. It’s bog-standard stuff taught in schools of marketing, public relations, political science, history, and journalism.

[–] Doom@ttrpg.network -4 points 3 months ago

Bro Putin's whole thing is breaking promises

[–] Habahnow@sh.itjust.works -5 points 3 months ago

I feel all your saying is that you agree Putin does lie, but also so does the West... I'm glad we can agree Putin lies and that we should respond with that in mind as the author suggests.

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