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Russia has accused Nato and the US of "provoking a new level of tension" after the US and Germany became the latest allies to let Ukraine's military to use Western-supplied weapons to strike targets inside Russia.

A Berlin spokesman said Germany was convinced Ukraine had the right to defend itself from Russia, especially from cross-border attacks on its second largest city Kharkiv.

US officials said American-supplied weapons could be used to counter Russian fire near the Kharkiv region, either where Russian forces were "hitting them or preparing to hit them".

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky said the decision would help protect civilians living in villages close to the Russian border.

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[–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 89 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They could deescalate by getting the fuck out of Ukraine.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 28 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Look at what you're making me do!!

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago

The abusers credo

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 48 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Putin's saber has been rattled so much that it functions more as a seppuku vibrator than anything else these days.

[–] Stern@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Seppuku vibrator

Great band name

[–] ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 29 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Seppuku™ Vibrators

"Finish yourself off, with honour!"

Edit: sorry I misread band as brand.

[–] MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown@fedia.io 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Thrust yourself into la petite mort with a Seppuku™ Vibrator today!

[–] nahuse@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 months ago

This is such a delightful cultural mash-up.

[–] illi@lemm.ee 6 points 3 months ago

A good brand name too, apparently.

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Now thinking what genre it would be. J-Punk maybe?

[–] Stern@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

My current headcanon is that they're an eclectric quartet from Ingelwood California who dabble in folk-, synth-, and indie pop. This summer they're opening for Hiatus Kaiyote.

[–] baldingpudenda@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

He uses it to get Pooh bear off. Gotta keep the war machine going.

[–] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago

We get it, Putin. You're shitting your pants because no one is taking you serious anymore, and your orange ass puppet has been charged who is also shitting his pants both literally and figuratively.

[–] sudo42@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

So… lemme get this straight. (Neglecting the fact that Putin started thus and can end it at any time) Russia can buy and use Iranian, North Korean (and possibly/likely Chinese) weapons on Ukraine, but Ukraine reciprocating using western weapons would justify a nuclear response?

[–] Laser@feddit.de 4 points 3 months ago

Don't put too much thought into it, ist an empty threat to scare idiots, there's no logic

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago

Sounds like Russia’s “final warning”

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Say when. 😂

You're not in a position to warn us of anything. We're ready to bring a world of hurt to anyone dumb enough to escalate this conflict.

Edit: bring China and NK. We'll give you a head start.

[–] slurpinderpin@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

What's Putin going to do? Attack a NATO nation? Bring it the fuck on, loser. We'll be flying sorties over Moscow within the week

[–] mindlight@lemm.ee 6 points 3 months ago

"Russia said...."

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

I think this may be the first time this phrase has been used appropriately:

Oh yeah? You and what army?

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 6 points 3 months ago

Say bye-bye to the rest of your palaces, shitforbrains.

All you had to do is GTFO of Ukraine, but no, now you get to find out what it's like being on the wrong end of an F-16.

[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Add the West will do it again, one more little step, and another one, unless there is a real escalation happening from Russia that at is at a worrisome level, but below a "Release the Poles" level. The classical salami slice method. We know it, Putin knows it and fears it, but if there was something he could do he would've done it by now.

Ok. But you should know that we love proportional response. You might even say it’s our hobby.

[–] Shotgun_Alice@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Oh plz Putin, do the world a favor and “accidentally” fall out of a window.

[–] Guy_Fieris_Hair@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

How dare they hit back.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I mean, it is an escalation. But on the other hand, there's not a whole lot by way of other reasonable response to Russia using the previous policy for tactical benefit, being able to attack without being attacked.

I think that there are basically two options that don't involve Ukraine being disadvantaged:

  • What was done here, permit limited cross-border use.

  • Maybe try to work out some kind of terms on which Russia agrees not to do cross-border attacks. But the problem there is enforcement. For Ukraine to be able to pull people away from a border, they have to be very sure that Russia will not attack across that border. If Russia leverages this and builds up to a major attack across the border and breaking that agreement, in order to make it clearly not worthwhile, we'd have to have serious consequences for Russia. I don't know what would be sufficiently-dissuasive short of attacking Russian forces ourselves.

And if Russia had refrained from exploiting that policy, they also wouldn't be facing the current change.

I also feel like the broader goal of avoiding Russian cities being attacked is still generally intact, and it's not as if Russia has extended a comparable policy of trying to limit damage to Ukrainian cities. Quite the opposite, really. And given that Russia is trying to conquer Ukraine and take those cities for themselves, if anyone's got incentive to try to cut some kind of agreement to not damage Ukrainian cities, aside from Ukraine, you'd think that it'd be Russia.

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 3 points 3 months ago

Fine, Putin. Escalate some more. See what happens. I don’t think you’ll like it, but why take the word of an American? Try it for yourself. Find out.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Go ahead, try it Russia. See what happens.

Sick of their North Korea antics.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Where do you think nk got it, they're essentially a much much more poorly funded soviet union.