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I’ve found Lemmy’s Linux community to be extremely helpful I hope it stays this way
this post was submitted on 31 May 2024
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It's one of the things that I like the most about lemmy over reddit. The reddit linux community was toxic, insular and gatekeepy, even as a moderately experienced linux user I had difficulty getting help.
"Learn how to Google noob!"
Fuck sakes, I just spent several hours deep diving forums and Web search results looking for an answer to my question, and the only thing I could find that was exactly my problem was concluded by OP editing their post to say "Ah, never mind, figured it out." And not including the solution.....
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probably because lemmy's pretty small compared to places like reddit and because everyone sees the same content with the same sorting, places like reddit make a few "help" requests visible and make them feel unimportant
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I installed Linux on my gfs (now wife) old laptop years ago when the beginner distros was way less user friendly. When I asked on a forum for help it was just the sound of crickets. When she made her first post starting with "my boyfriend installed Linux and I don't understand how to..." They fucking fell out trees to answer her questions
lol bunch of thirsty incels.
Is your wife single?
Unhelpful Linux User Archetypes:
The Configurator: All problems are configuration problems. The fact that a user has a problem means they configured their machine incorrectly. All help requests are an opportunity to lecture others about configuration files.
The lumberjack: Insists on logs no matter how simple or basic the question. "How do I get the working directory in the terminal?" -Sorry, I can't help you unless you post your log. "What does the -r flag do?" -You need to post a log for me to answer that question. "Is there a way to make this service start at boot?" -We have no way of knowing unless you post your log. When a user posts their log, the lumberjack's work is done. No need to reply to the thread any further.
The Anacdata Troubleshooter: Failed to develop a theory of mind during childhood. Thinks their machine is representative of all machines. If they don't have an issue, the user is lying about the issue.
The Jargon Master: Uses as much jargon as possible in forum posts. If a user doesn't know each and every term, that's on them. If you did not commit to mastering every aspect of a piece of software before asking for help, were you even trying to solve the problem?
The Hobby Horse Jockey: All problems are caused by whatever thing the contributor does not like. Graphics driver issue? Snaps. Computer won't post? Obviously, Snaps. Machine getting too hot? Snaps. Command 'flatpack' not found? Oh you better believe snaps did that.
The Pedantfile: Gets mad because everyone asks their questions the wrong way. Writes a message letting the user know they asked their question wrong. Message usually appears within a minute or two of someone providing a solution to the user.
The Repeatophobic: If a question vaguely reminds them of a previously posted question, they become enraged and insist the new thread be locked.
It's infuriating how many times I've seen a locked thread with no answer linking to a similar yet different problem that doesn't solve my issue.
These types exist for most any technical problem. The last one is the whiny one who also slams someone with a solution they don't approve of. Even if the solution satisfies the person asking for help or perhaps because it satisfies them.
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X is deprecated, you should have moved into systemd-Y
You should change to Arch, I don't use X but Arch is better.
Oh fuck you.. take your upvote and know that you have hurt my soul and I love you for it.
X is deprecated, you should move to Wayland.
It's kind of stereotype, i've always find the help i needed on Arch, but yeah there's bad guys everywhere
The quickest way to get the right answer in any community, in my experience, is to provide the wrong answer. People will come out of the woodwork to correct you.
Yup. This is known as Murphys Law
No, that's the one where "everything that can go wrong, will go wrong"
You're thinking of Godwin's law
No, that's the one with nazis.
You're thinking of Moore's Law
No. That's the one where:
7 cups green cabbage , finely shredded (Note 1) ▢1 medium carrot , shredded (1 1/2 cups) DRESSING ▢1/2 cup Hellman's mayonnaise (or other whole egg mayo) ▢1/2 cup sour cream or yoghurt, full fat is best ▢1 1/2 tbsp apple cider vinegar (or sub with white wine vinegar) ▢2 tsp Dijon mustard ▢2 tbsp white sugar ▢3/4 tsp celery salt ▢1/4 tso black pepper
You're thinking of Cole's Law.
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Buy a different GPU
I'll let myself out
He said X, not Wayland.
Ah yes, a perfectly normal thing to do after I've previously spent thousands on my NVIDIA GPU and am just getting into Linux. Love this comment when it comes up.
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The trick is to say "Linux sucks! It can't even X!" Where X is what your issue is preventing. You'll get the answer, to prove you wrong.
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Yeah, I keep seeing this and it's never been my experience in 20+ years of desktop Linux.
Yeah, every now and then there is the asshole and troll. Go to a supermarket and you'll find them too, go to your job and you'll find those too. I don't call all supermarkets asshole conglomerates, it's simply the world, there are asshats in the world.
I've talked directly to main developers of many systems like LVM, PHP, and so on who spent time to help me fix my issues. Who ever got to talk directly to an Apple dev or Microsoft dev?
It's not just Linux, it's like that with all open source. Yes, there are negative players everywhere, but mostly it has been a very welcoming and helpful group
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I love that this comic is already a meme.
BTW which distro is best for running Adobe??? I really need Photoshop on my laptop. EDIT: /s, and also I guess the joke doesn't actually work here lol
https://github.com/hypnotiger/photoshop-on-linux or If you have low end device then use CS6 version of Adobe Software with Wine. Ofcourse, You can *arrrr them.
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One way or another I'm moving to Linux for my next PC. but damn I finally think I understand enough to decide Debian would be a good 'it just works' distro and then Linux users out the woodwork telling me its actually a pain in the ass and to use XYZ (all disagreeing) distros instead. I'm like 90% sure its going to be Debian, Ubuntu or Mint but beyond that its more uncertain than the inside of a black hole.
Very good choice going with Debian. It is simple, clean, can be as minimal or as "bloated" as you wish, and once you've worked out the kinks it will happily run for years without maintenance (except updates of course).
There's a steep learning curve because as a user you're expected to configure stuff yourself (although defaults are most of the time very sensible), but if you're willing and able to truly learn Linux and the terminal and you're familiar with your hardware, it's one of the best platforms out there.
Debian does just work and is a good choice. I think people typically have good experiences on Mint also. Ubuntu is becoming like the Windows of Linux distros, I used to use it on everything but I won't be installing it on another machine because of Snaps.
If you plan on using Linux to do gaming you might want a more up-to-date distro tho.
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This kind of behavior mystifies me. I get that it can be frustrating to deal with lazy folks, but especially with how shit google/ddg are nowadays, when people are looking for help and are met with this kind of treatment it’s pretty discouraging! I’ve been an Arch user for about a decade, and sometimes I run into problems that should be googleable but aren’t.
It’s especially concerning, considering how tech illiterate the next generation is. They’re very used to walled gardens, and if they can barely manage a MacBook, they’re going to really struggle starting with things like the command line.
Lighting a candle leaves you with two lit candles. There’s no reason to gatekeep knowledge.
If 10% of newb questions were just answered plainly in forums then google would index those and these easy solutions would be actually google-able. Nerds gatekeeping basic info by forcing people deep into man pages to find the needle in the haystack argument that is used for 99% of commands surrounded by a bajillion arguments that are basically dev-tools used for bash scripts make adopting to a CLI mega frustrating.
Most forum advice is about obscure driver issues for some random piece of hardware or "help! update broke my shit" type of posts.
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I'm thinking of using my second SSD to install Linux, is Arch actually good or just a meme?
I'm out.
It's a really good, slightly bare bones initially but completely modular/customizable. If it's your first foray into Linux something like Debian, Mint or PopOS would be a slightly more comfortable starting point
Depends on your use case. Arch is a DIY distro but is well maintained and has the latest packages on their repo. Its user centric, unlike many distributions that are user friendly. You could read the archwiki to find out if its for you
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damn if this isnt an amazing format
After watching this, I'm surprised that most people who answered the survey didn't find the linux community toxic.
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Just learn to search for the proper Terminal/ Konsole command to copy and paste what you want just like the rest of us.
That's how you Linux... Right? My dudes? Right?
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If I want to run games in Steam on NVidia GPU, with KDE and Wayland, what distribution would you recommend?
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I like that RTFM can also stand for Read The Fucking Manpage.
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