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nostalgia noun nos·tal·gia nä-ˈstal-jə nə-, also nȯ-, nō-; nə-ˈstäl- 1: a wistful or excessively sentimental yearning for return to or of some past period or irrecoverable condition also : something that evokes nostalgia

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[–] Yrt@feddit.de 115 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] ganksy@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago

"...in you're LAN"

My second favorite Peter Gabriel song

[–] AstralPath@lemmy.ca 72 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Can you imagine the power bill after running all those CRTs? Damn.

[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 32 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Googling around it seems a 21" draws around 100W, which isn't as much as I thought; it's kinda a florescent light with more steps. A florescent backlit LCD doesn't use a whole lot less, and a modern 30-something inch LED backlit uses, as far as in an tell, about 1/3 that. So, for typical sized monitors, only ~70W more for CRT.

In contrast, the GPU wars mean that (I think?) power consumption in gaming desktops has gone up somewhat substantially


a 500W PSU was fairly beefy in 2003 (I think), whereas 1000W or more is pretty standard for a gaming computer now (obviously it's not drawing rated power, but assuming headroom % is roughly the same...).

My completely unsubstantiated guess would be that a LAN party setup as pictured would draw more power at idle, but a modern LAN party would draw more under load.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 15 points 5 months ago (7 children)

I know enough about power systems to know that we're going to hit a hard limit on how much max power we're going to be able to plumb into a computer soon.

A single North American power circuit is approximately 120v and limited to 15A. The numbers wiggle a little from place to place, I've seen many that are running 115v or even closer to 110v. The 15A limit is not quite accurate either, since it's not recommended to load a circuit more than 80% for any continuous load, so your realistic maximum continual draw would be around 12A.

Some newer homes are being built with 20A, but most homes are still generally using 15A breakers.

At 120v, on a 15A circuit, you shouldn't consistently pull more than 12A, or 1440W. The line will max out at 1800W when the breaker/fuse will start to trigger.

So as power supplies hit 1200 to 1400 watts, you'll need to ensure that nothing else on the circuit will draw any significant power. A few displays and whatnot are fine, but with a 1200w PSU, you can't exceed 240w of additional draw while operating within the recommendations.

There are a few solutions to this, the obvious one is move to 20A, which can draw 1920W within the recommended power draw for the circuit, so you could have an 1800w system and about 120w of additional items before hitting the recommended limits, and 480w of total overhead before the breaker goes. The downside is that such circuits require thicker cables in-wall (12awg when 14awg is far more common in homes).

One option I'm aware of that nobody seems to consider is that in NA, the power delivered to the home is approximately 240v split-phase. 240v is generally only used for things like stovetops and ranges, electric dryers, water heaters, resistive heating in forced air furnaces, and air conditioning/heat pump systems. Though, it is entirely possible to convert a simple outlet to 240v. To be safe, you will need to get new receptacles, but you can reuse the wires already in the wall for 240v. I believe the NEMA 6-15R is the one that's rated for 240v operation in NA, and it's not dissimilar to the standard NEMA 5-15R that is the typical "North American" receptacle. However, a standard plug (aka a NEMA 5-15P) will not fit into the 240v receptacle. Any outlets on the same circuit would need to be changed so a 120v only device does not get plugged into the 240v receptacle. You can wire it for 240v at 15A which can provide up to 2880W of power without rewiring the house.

The trick will be to find a NEMA 6-15P to C13 connection for the PC and peripherals, and double checking that they will accept 240v power (all monitors and whatnot need to be set up to accept 240v power). On older power supplies, this is a simple switch on the outside of the PSU, though newer units will be switched, so they will detect the input power automatically.

I'm not recommending anyone does that, but if you do, talk to an electrician to ensure you're complying will all local ordinances.

Despite that, it is an option that most don't seem to consider.

Personally, I need to have some rewiring done in my residence and I'm going to see if I can get a dedicated 240v 20A single receptacle circuit installed for my computer, with the appropriate receptacles and everything.

To note: most 240v connections also have a neutral line (like what you would find with an oven or dryer), which the NEMA 6 receptacles do not have, they are 240v only. This, along with the fact that most 240v receptacles are rated for 30A+, makes them generally very large. The NEMA 6-15R and NEMA 6-20R are the 15/20A versions of 240v AFAIK, and they're not really any larger than a standard receptacle.

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Oh yeah, modern PCs use a lot of power under load, I was renovating the main room in my condo in the middle of Canadian winter and was keeping the place warm by having two PCs mining crypto since I didn't have a baseboard!

[–] errer@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

Key here is “under load.” When a computer is sitting idle nowadays it can use only tens of watts. My older computers often would burn 200w at all times just sitting there doing nothing.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 59 points 5 months ago (4 children)

wonder what that smelled like

[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 53 points 5 months ago

exactly how it looks

[–] essell@lemmy.world 41 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Like someone threw thermal paste and hormones on a barbecue

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)
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[–] KazuyaDarklight@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

I went to a well air conditioned one of these and surprisingly I don't remember it being a big deal. Looking how people are dressed here though.... probably rough.

[–] kernelle@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

I remember the static of those CRT's having a particular smell too

[–] UncleBadTouch@lemmy.ca 56 points 5 months ago (1 children)

i can smell that room through my monitor, and 22 years later

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 33 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] kernelle@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

Lmao one of the first videos I ever saw on youtube, haven't seen that in 15 years probably and I heard it in my head instantly

[–] gianni@lemmy.ca 49 points 5 months ago (3 children)

What's with all the shirtless people? We mostly kept our clothes on at our LAN parties.

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 73 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I can imagine it's just really hot in there with the computers and monitors going.

[–] PersonalDevKit@aussie.zone 16 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I feel like aircon wasn't as common back then, especially strong enough to cool all of that

[–] realbadat@programming.dev 25 points 5 months ago

It's more likely it wouldn't be able to handle the number of people + PCs. They are sized for use, and they may be hitting the limit with just the people in there, then add the BTUs coming off all that hardware, and you've got yourself a sauna.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

aircon wasn't as common back then

^ OP thinking 20-years ago was the 1960's. ;)

[–] PersonalDevKit@aussie.zone 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Maybe it is an Australian thing?

In 2009 the school I went to got aircon

I have lived in very few houses that have had aircon, if they did it was evaporative and near useless. The house I am currently in is getting aircon installed next week.

It might be hot in Australia, but mainly we just built houses with insolation and fly screens.

[–] DV8@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

It would depend on the event hall. If it was in a warehouse like hall and in spring or fall, sure you'd keep your shirt on.

If it was in a event hall with a lower ceiling, carpet on the floor and just some form of insulation it'd get crazy hot really fast. Because on top of thousands of PC's there'd be thousands of people too. In summer it'd be even crazier. I definitely remember going shirtless at some of those lans.

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[–] bazus1@lemmy.world 42 points 5 months ago

all plugged into one janky power strip.

[–] rickdg@lemmy.world 33 points 5 months ago (11 children)
[–] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] toynbee@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)
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[–] BallShapedMan@lemmy.world 30 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I think I was going to the wrong lan parties in the 90s because we all kept our shirts on, even when it was hot.

[–] BambiDiego@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Remember the smell at your parties? Imagine the smell here

(Not hating, I was there too, wouldn't trade it for the world, but I would be ok with a little febreeze and Old Spice)

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[–] chalupapocalypse@lemmy.world 27 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You can tell this is AI because there are girls there

[–] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 24 points 5 months ago (5 children)

I see we are also telling jokes from 2003.

[–] chalupapocalypse@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Let me tell you about chuck Norris...

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[–] Anamnesis@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago

Just living in the moment, not a phone in sight.

[–] BEZORP@kbin.social 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)
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[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 15 points 5 months ago (2 children)

It looks like the same 4 or 5 people in different poses on repeat?

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yup, the topless guy in the beige trousers is very noticeably everywhere.

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[–] StaySquared@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I can't even imagine how stank that entire building must have been.. imagine it's so hot you have to remove your shirt. bleh.

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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

there are girls, this is fake

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[–] ganksy@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

Is that Tom in front of the construction lights?

[–] gianni@lemmy.ca 8 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I recognise almost all of those tower cases and had a couple myself.

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[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 7 points 5 months ago

Had MIDI parties in the 90s cuz we didn't have network cards yet. Just one big ring of machines all daisy chained together with MIDI cables. And it was awesome.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

Acrid is the word

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Can we have this except with Steam Decks? How bad would we garble up the radio bands with all of them connecting to the Wi-Fi and various tethered phones?

[–] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Bluetooth can have a few hundred unique connections

[–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 months ago

And that's just when you start being able to taste your teeth!

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