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Not really about selfhosting, but I read that a lot of selfhosters do not selfhost their emails. Should have pop/imap.

I am thinking about iCloud that offers 3 aliases, but actually I need 5. Does iCloud has a catchall-option?

mailbox.org and skiff are „too expensive“ with 3€/month.

migadu is another candidate. 19€/year.

I once read about a cheap one-man-show-E-Mail-provider, that I would like to try, but I can‘t remember the name.

Do you have more suggestions?

Not really about selfhosting, but I read that a lot of selfhosters do not selfhost their emails. Should have pop/imap.

I am thinking about iCloud that offers 3 aliases, but actually I need 5. Does iCloud has a catchall-option?

mailbox.org and skiff are „too expensive“ with 3€/month.

migadu is another candidate. 19€/year.

I once read about a cheap one-man-show-E-Mail-provider, that I would like to try, but I can‘t remember the name.

Do you have more suggestions?

Edit:

Thanks for your recommendations! After a short comparism, these are my current candidates:

icloud 12€/year 3 emailadresses/50GB BUT catchall-option (good)

mxroute 80€/lifetime unlimited/10GB

purelymail 9€/year unlimited/unlimited - BUT one man show (bad)

infomanikak mail-service 18€/year 5 adresses/unlimited

sorted out

migadu 19€/year unlimited / only 5GB / BUT only 20/200 (out/in) mails a day (bad)

Protonmail -> no SMTP (bad)

posteo -> no own domain possible (bad)

other recommendations: too expensive

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[–] Ocelot@lemmies.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Im pretty happy with protonmail. Email is kind of important you may not want to go with the cheapest option.

[–] ArtVandelay@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Second proton, I use my own domain with it. Works great!

[–] Jarmer@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 year ago

Another vote for the proton services. Been with them for years and very happy.

[–] TechieJosh@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Moved from ProtonMail to iCloud+ last year since I was already paying for iCloud+. Proton’s lack of IMAP support on mobile devices is another reason I left. Their reason for that is privacy, which I understand. Privacy is important to me, but this is email we’re talking about. It will never be private considering the majority of people we email use Gmail, Outlook, etc.

All that being said, iCloud+ has been solid for email. No major issues at all on my end. The spam filter is quite strict for me, but I would consider that a good thing.

[–] Echolot@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Same here, iCloud+ works great for me, the domain setup was painless and you can even create multiple aliases & inboxes and share the domain with your iCloud Family if you have one.

[–] zlatiah@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

mailbox.org and skiff are „too expensive“ with 3€/month.

Ah... I do use mailbox.org and I've self-hosted with docker-mailserver before.

I agree, selfhosting mail is a really big pain, and at least where I live most ISPs don't open the ports necessary for mailservers, so I had to spin up my own server & it was more expensive than just using a mail provider. Could potentially be the cheapest option if I could host it from home & just use a RasPi or something

I'm happy with mailbox.org; the Standard Tier price is 2.50 Euro/mo if paid in full if that helps. Probably not the cheapest option especially since it's not unlimited, but they do allow domain matches at Standard tier or above, and there are other goodies like calendar/video conferencing/cloud storage & stuff.

[–] EddyBot@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

yea also custom domain with catch-all + custom rules on mailbox.org is hilariously powerful and allow you to use an own email address + its own folder for every website without actually creating any alias beforehand

I also have a hard time understanding how 2,5€ a month is to expensive for someone who most likely owns Apple devices since iCloud is really awful to use without at least one Apple device

[–] mea_rah@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I haven't seen anyone recommend Infomaniak Mail. I think it's great option. It's €1.50/month for 5 mailboxes with unlimited storage. You can add multiple domains and mailbox aliases for free. (no limit on either as far as I can tell) You get calendar and contacts as well. They also offer entire office suite, but that's going to cost more.

They offer pretty good webmail interface, that's not just Roundcube or other OSS webmail solutions. (which are okay, but usually limited by the fact that it's IMAP on the backend) They offer apps for mobile calendar/contact sync and they also have (quite new, but already very good IMO) email app. These are all open source. You obviously have IMAP, CalDAV and such if you want to use your own client.

It's not some one man show provider, they are pretty big cloud provider in Switzerland. So you also get custommer support that from my experience is pretty fast to respond.

[–] surgeoffury@waveform.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks for this, actually first time I see this service mentioned anywhere.

[–] mea_rah@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I really like their embrace of open source. Seeing their email app on f-droid first is quite refreshing. And when they started developing it, I just subscribed to github issues with features I considered crucial for me so that I'd get notification once they were implemented.

How often do you get at least changelog with closed source apps? I'd have to check every couple months whether they implemented features I need had this not been developed in the open.

[–] solrize@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Try mxroute.com. Full price is already not bad, and they have ridiculously cheap promos around December.

[–] admin@lemmy.xcoolgroup.com 2 points 1 year ago

I'll second that. I've been using them for 4 or 5 years, and have been pleased.

There even was a day where there was an outage for my server, and they made it right by giving everyone credits roughly equal to 3 years of service or something. I thought that was overkill, and I guess they'll take a loss on it, but... the instincts are nice. It seems like a place where it's some dude taking care of servers, rather than a giant corporation who is more focused on extracting money than providing a great service for a reasonable cost.

[–] RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] bfly75@feddit.nl 1 points 1 year ago

Me too. Using Mailbox before that, but cancelled when they moved custom domain to a higher tier. Tried the 5$ Mxroute, but that looked too messy for me; too many frontend options, whereas I like my mail simple and secure.

[–] squib@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have used Fastmail for years now and it's always worked well. I use it with Mac/iOS. It has everything.

[–] sirdavidxvi@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

+1 for Fastmail.

I've been using it for about 3 years. I'm on the Standard plan (middle tier). It's $4.20/mo. per user when prepaying for 3 years and ranges up to $5.40/mo. for monthly billing.

Not sure if there's a (practical) limit on domains or aliases, but I have 7 domains and a few aliases plus a wildcard. Includes 30GB of storage per user.

[–] i_lost_my_bagel@seriously.iamincredibly.gay 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've been using purelymail. 10 dollars a year and you can add as many domains and make as many accounts as you want.

[–] ReginaPhalange@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Serious question - as a normie I'm usesd to - Email Provider=Domain.
Google = @gmail.
ProtonMail = @protonmail

How does custom domains play into this? Does using a custom domain for mail requires a special entry in the DNS record?

Magnets, how do they work?

[–] tau@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Not sure why I see this one recommended so much. Seems like it's run by just one dude who won't always be able to respond to support requests, security issues and other emergencies in the time frames you'd want with such a service. I also really wouldn't want to bet my ability to securely access/send/receive important emails on that one person in Delaware not randomly getting hit by a car or something.

[–] engineer@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, I didn't know it was just one person. That doesn't really feel umm... safe for something like email.

[–] jrylander@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It is true afaik but support has been excellent from him. Used it for a few years but switched to zoho for better support of protocols.

[–] raz0rf0x@pawb.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've been using Zoho for email on my domain. My residential service blocks port 25 so being actually self hosted wasn't going to work. I had rented a cheap VPS for $4/mo to run it on, thinking I'd have other uses for it. Eventually I just went to the Zoho free email hosting with my domain. It's been fine for years and I'm reasonably sure it has a catch-all as well.

[–] jrylander@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

zoho

Please excuse me if this is just superfluous. Just wanted to chime on Zoho. It has been excellent for me and lowest tier is very cheap (gives protocols for external access without browser)

[–] leaf@feddit.nl 2 points 1 year ago

Proton does have SMTP via Protonmail Bridge

[–] moddy@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

Sounds interesting. Never heard before. On their page I see the "ksuite standard" for free with 2 emails/15GB. The next upgrade to 5 adresses/3TB(!) would be 3,29€.

[–] Starfish@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

You can use posteo for 1€ a month. For more aliases look at mozmail (mozilla) or simplelogin. Or try runbox if you dont care about encryption at rest

[–] czech@no.faux.moe 1 points 1 year ago

I've used mailbox.org for the last few years. They are a privacy-focused provider out of Germany. They aren't restrictive on the app you use, like proton, and offer an integrated PGP-signing solution.

[–] Wxfisch@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I use protonmail with their family plan, it’s not terribly priced when you consider it comes with calendar, vpn, and drive storage as well. The biggest annoyance is probably that you have to use their mobile apps due to the encryption and they are not the greatest, but it does encrypt everything which I find outweighs the forced use of just their app.

[–] c10l@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I’ve been using Posteo with my own domain for a few years.

You do need an email forwarder in addition to the hosting since, as you noticed, they don’t support that use-case natively.

My DNS provider, LuaDNS, does that for me. I pay for their Basic tier (US$29/year) but only because I’m using a lot more than what the free tier provides. I did get away with free for about a year though, so that could in fact be sufficient for you, if you decide to go that route.

[–] excel@lemmy.megumin.org 1 points 1 year ago

You don't need a mail server if all you want is a custom email domain. You can just use something like CloudFlare DNS to have them forward all emails to your domain to another private email address (e.g. Gmail).

[–] surgeoffury@waveform.social 1 points 1 year ago

I use mainly Protonmail, lately also digging Skiff a lot. It's a shame Startmail doesn't support own domains (yet?).

In the past also tried Tutanota, Mailbox.org, Fastmail, Posteo but never really liked using them.

[–] makingrain@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Late to the party on this one, but Tutanota has been great for me. I prefer the fully encrypted storage. They recently put their prices up, though. It was €12 a year.

[–] JoeHill@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Just switched to iCloud last week. Yes, it does catch-all (although it needs to be enabled through a checkbox in one of the settings menu). It also does sub-addressing / plus-addressing natively (no menu setting needed), which doesn’t seem to actually be documented but it works flawlessly for me.

I’ve been extremely happy with it so far. Pairing plus addressing with some of the filtering rules allows me to direct bulk mail to the right place automatically. For whatever reason, filtering rules can’t be done on iOS but need to be set through icloud.com (not sure if they can be set on macOS).