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submitted 3 months ago by Confidant6198@lemmy.ml to c/comics@lemmy.ml

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[–] walter_wiggles@lemmy.nz 68 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Uhhhh sorry I'm still going to vote against fascism.

[+] StoneGender@lemmy.blahaj.zone -27 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The democrats are also fascists :l no politician will save you

[–] leadore@kbin.social 33 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Fascist is a word with an actual meaning. I know it's fun to call the democrats fascists, but that's incorrect and ridiculous.

[–] VictoriaAScharleau@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

fascism DOES gave a definition written by Mussolini. democrats fit the bill.

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

They just hear us say it about them so they assume it's just a bad word to throw at people you don't like, similar to doo doo head, or fart sniffer.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago

Yes because it is right wingers saying "the lesser evil is still fascist"

Please consider expressing internally consistent ideas.

[–] peeonyou@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Wait who do you think "they" is in this sentence? Do you think people here are arguing to vote for Trump?

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

They would be anyone who says "Dems are fascist"

[–] treefrog@lemm.ee 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

Words have meaning in political discourse, and no, they're not.

They're neo-liberals. Both fascism and neo-liberalism are totalitarian. The former is also authoritarian. And their ways of totalizing are different.

Neo-liberalism appropriates everything that's not itself and turns it into a commodity. This is its form of totalitarianism; colonialism and cultural appropriation for the sake of the 'market'. I.e. theft.

Fascism extinguishes everything that's not itself. That is its form of totalitarianism, genocide. I.e. murder.

Neither one particularly plays well with others (hence them both being totalitarian). And both are willing to steal and both are willing to murder. But the end goals of each are much different and fascism is much worse, as you know as a jewish person.

And a Trump presidency would be a fascist one. With Trans people first on the chopping block after Trump's political enemies.

So, no. Both sides are not the same. And I'm also frustrated with the democrats. But yes, this is harm reduction. A neo-liberal or a fascist. Thieves or psychopaths. Those are the choices. Or vote third party. Or don't vote. But in November, we know it will be Biden or Trump who gets the nomination.

I'll vote for the thief personally. Because I practice harm reduction and live in a swing state.

[–] VictoriaAScharleau@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

voting is not harm reduction

[–] treefrog@lemm.ee -3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Anything that reduces harm, is by definition, harm reduction.

[–] VictoriaAScharleau@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

harm reduction is a specific thing, and voting is not harm reduction.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago

Words have meanings

uses buzzwords like totalitarian and authoritarian

[–] leadore@kbin.social 3 points 3 months ago

Thank you for understanding the reality of the situation and voting accordingly.

I agree, Neo-liberal is a more accurate label for the democrats. Thanks for taking the time to educate about the difference between the parties. Unfortunately, unless these "democrats are fascists too" people learn to understand the differences and act accordingly [1], they're going to learn the hard way what fascism really is, and we'll all suffer for it. For a very long time.

[1] "accordingly" means, accept the reality that either the D party or the R party will be in power in less than a year, and vote for the lesser of two evils (the non-fascist, but yes neo-liberal, D party).

This is a divided country. Almost half the people this country are right wing, and they vote. They vote for who they want in the primary, then they vote for whoever the R is in the general--and it works. Their party has moved more and more to the right.

But too many progressives don't follow through in the general if their preferred candidate loses the primary, considering the winning candidate not "good enough" to "deserve" their votes, so the D either loses or barely wins. D politicians have learned well that they can't count on left wing voters, so to have a chance of winning they must move right to capture more center or conservative voters, and thus the D party as a whole has also moved right. If the D party instead learned that standing for progressive values would get them enough votes to win, that's what they would do.

We started to see that in 2022. They had actually been afraid to stand up for abortion rights until they saw some election results showing they could win on it, now they're loudly standing up for it. Show them they can win with a progressive stance on other issues as well, and things will start changing. Slowly at first, then quickly.

[–] lewdian69@lemmy.world 47 points 3 months ago (3 children)

WTF? This is a horrible comic. Republicans in Congress are the ones preventing literally all those things from improving...

[–] Clent@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Each panels requires one to be clueless about politics outside of the right wing bubble. Every single issue has at last one example of Democrats taking action to address the issue.

[–] peeonyou@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 months ago

this mindset right here is exactly why the system works exactly as intended

so close, yet so fucking far

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

In what reality are you living in which democrats didn't further fund and militarize police?

[–] lewdian69@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, I'll give you that for sure. I guess 3 out of 4.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 months ago

Nah I'd argue 0 out of 4

[–] iamericandre@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Bruh I got bad news for you if you think trump is going to do anything but help himself.

[–] treefrog@lemm.ee 13 points 3 months ago

Their goal isn't to get people to vote Trump but push the democrats to work harder for their vote. They post in a gender queer instance.

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 months ago

Who is biden helping

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 16 points 3 months ago

ITT liberals(mainstream right wingers) model the behavior illustrated in the comic

[–] ekZepp@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And the alternative is? ...Trump?

After 3 years, people still don't understand what he really means for ""AMERICAN"" when he says America First. Spoiler allert: You're not included.

[–] Confidant6198@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Claudia de la Cruz from PSL

[–] peeonyou@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

anybody but the two ghouls would be preferrable, but we all know the entire system is broken.. you can't vote fascism out

[–] Confidant6198@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

Since you can’t, just vote with your values then; otherwise, one is just making excuses to vote for capital.