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[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 49 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

This is harmful misinformation that can literally lead to people dying from tobacco related disease.

Vaping, while definitely not healthy, is NOWHERE NEAR as unhealthy as smoking tobacco is. Especially when you do it as intended: temporarily for smoking cessation like I added decades to my life by doing.

I smoked for 18 years, the last 10 of which I tried every other smoking cessation method including prescription medicine and substance abuse therapy. They just didn't work for me.

Vaping did, though. In roughly 6 months I went from smoking a pack or two a day (depending on stress levels and alcohol intake) to neither smoking nor vaping at all and I haven't for over 3 years.

[–] kevincox@lemmy.ml 14 points 5 months ago

I think the main problem is that the companies selling vapes and related products are not really targeting users who are quitting smoking. Obviously there is less money in temporary users. They are targeting people who will keep smoking, usually because it is "cool" and especially teenagers who are a good target for "cool" and can be customers for a long time.

So yes, if you are using it temporarily ease off nicotine it is great and we should keep vapes available for these people as medical devices. However we should try to reduce the damage that vapes are doing to other people. How strongly we should do this is obviously controversial. Personally I would focus on education and personal choice, but there is a strong argument to be more forceful.

[–] NaoPb@eviltoast.org 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

If it can help people to quit smoking, I'm all for it. But I hope eventually they get to quit vaping too so they at least won't have any of the harmfull effects of those.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

If it can help people to quit smoking, I'm all for it.

That's literally what it was invented for and 90%+ of what it's used for today.

But I hope eventually they get to quit vaping too so they at least won't have any of the harmfull effects of those.

Again, that's all it was ever designed for.

[–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

That's literally what it was invented for and 90%+ of what it's used for today

Idk where you live, but in middle and eastern europe it's mainly used as a cigarette replacement (especially by teenagers because they're harder to detect)

[–] gigachad@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Is that 90%+ what you feel or can you provide a profound statistic for that? Not to offend you, but that seems rather unlikely to me. This study reports about 20% of high school students using e cigarettes in 2020. It would be very suprising if these kids tried to quit smoking cigarettes

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[–] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 41 points 5 months ago (1 children)

it's healthier

It's less damaging.

[–] raker@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

Less leathal.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 36 points 5 months ago

It is healthier than cigarettes. Anyone who has smoked and vaped a lot can tell the difference in the damage that it's causing your body. You don't need a scientific study to tell you that not coughing for two hours every morning is better for you.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 28 points 5 months ago (13 children)

Don't vape, but if you're going to pick up an addictive habit pick up vaping instead of cigarettes/drinking/gacha games. Much less hazardous to your health.

[–] Baguette@lemm.ee 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

How did you even get to gacha games over just gambling in general

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Write what you know, I suppose.

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[–] db2@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

I mean I switched to vaping a few years back. Still getting a smokers cough and breathing has barely improved. I should quit completely. Vaping has made it slightly easier, though. But in all honesty, screw the health effects of either I'm just glad I don't reek of cigarettes anymore. I didn't realize how absolutely awful my clothes smelt until I switched.

[–] Shellbeach@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

I switched to snus. I'm also so happy about the smell. Congrats us for quitting cigarettes

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[–] VulKendov@reddthat.com 16 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Healthier than cigarettes is such a low bar to clear that it doesn't really mean much.

[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

They're 95% safer, so they cleared it by quite a lot

[–] VulKendov@reddthat.com 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

May I have a souce on that 95% safer, please?

[–] 5wim@slrpnk.net 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

95% has been cited for 9 years, constantly, and the study is available from a simple google search, along with many articles since then that muddy the water.

The truth will continue to be of the same spirit, though, and rather obviously: vaping is substantially less harmful than smoking.

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[–] Chadus_Maximus@lemm.ee 3 points 5 months ago

Unfortunately, it also means that boomers who smoke cigarettes won't ever try vaping because "they're both bad for your health".

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 16 points 5 months ago (9 children)

So, ok, absolutely if you go through disposable vape after disposable vape, yes you are literally throwing batteries away...

But if you get a rechargeable, refillable pocket vape, which you can get for maybe the cost of two or three disposables...

Then you are just recharging a battery. Usually a much smaller (in terms of energy capacity) battery than even the crappiest phone.

Obviously you should not pick up vaping as a habit, but it is faaaar less bad for you than smoking, and if you were already addicted to smoking, well switching to a vape is healthier and less expensive.

Myself I spent almost a decade smoking, switched to a vape and my lung capacity is greatly improved, oral health is way better, oh and no more horrific coughing. I am slowly dialing down the concentration in the hopes that one day I'll be able to quit.

Before that it was years of trying to quit cigarettes, making it a week or a month with none, giving up and getting a pack, feeling like a piece of shit figuratively and literally as they'd make me sick again.

People do not seem to widely realize or appreciate that nicotine withdrawals are as bad or worse than heroin withdrawals.

Another hand grenade you can throw into this is: Sure, smoking weed has varying medicinal properties, but it also has the problem that you are smoking something.

Do you smoke your blunts through a filter?

No?

Oh, ok so thats about the same tar and particulate matter as the same amount of smoking hand rolled cigarettes.

Ive known plenty of habitual weed smokers with the traditionally tobacco associated 'smokers cough', and they would tell me that smoking MJ is actually healthy for you as they are weezing and out of breath, hacking up a lung after a flight or two of stairs.

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[–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I have this vape and i just reload it like a sawn off shotgun

[–] CentrifugalChicken@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Man... You're living in 2050, and I just keep 3 extra batteries in my pocket. What vape is that?

[–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Istick tria, bought in 2018 and enjoyed ever since

[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)
[–] SuperTulle@feddit.nu 3 points 5 months ago

I wanna know too, it looks cool

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[–] Crack0n7uesday@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

My only problem with people that vape is they think they can do it where you can't smoke a cigarette and/or joint. Sorry bro, get over here with the rest of us, no one wants to smell your shitty strawberry flavored whatever.

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[–] cradac@feddit.de 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (6 children)

A lot of comments here are saying that vaping is apprently healthier than smoking. But we don't actually know that. All independent studies I know of say that we can't tell the long term consequences to vaping lungs yet.

Everyone that says that vaping is healthier than smoking is just parotting the companies that sell vapes.

Edit: Some videos about that topic:

https://youtu.be/XuTQbOo3Y30

https://youtu.be/bbV6I8VRMG8

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago (2 children)

we don't know the long term consequences

Does not equate to "just as harmful as cigarettes". All of the data that we have available shows it to be considerably less harmful than cigarettes. If there are long term consequences, and there almost certainly are, they will still be less harmful than cigarettes.

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[–] red@sopuli.xyz 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

So who's paying you to shill?

We're not parroting companies selling vapes. This is literally 9 years ago: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/e-cigarettes-an-evidence-update

At least 95% less harmful than tobacco.

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[–] dumbass@leminal.space 4 points 5 months ago

List the chemicals in a vape and then list the chemicals in a cigarette and tell me that vaping isnt a healthier alternative to smoking.

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago

to be fair it is, especially in the quantities you would need that huge power bank for

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