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[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

If it can help people to quit smoking, I'm all for it.

That's literally what it was invented for and 90%+ of what it's used for today.

But I hope eventually they get to quit vaping too so they at least won't have any of the harmfull effects of those.

Again, that's all it was ever designed for.

[–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

That's literally what it was invented for and 90%+ of what it's used for today

Idk where you live, but in middle and eastern europe it's mainly used as a cigarette replacement (especially by teenagers because they're harder to detect)

[–] gigachad@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Is that 90%+ what you feel or can you provide a profound statistic for that? Not to offend you, but that seems rather unlikely to me. This study reports about 20% of high school students using e cigarettes in 2020. It would be very suprising if these kids tried to quit smoking cigarettes

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Is that 90%+ what you feel or can you provide a profound statistic for that

That 90% is admittedly going by memory of statistical analysis that I'm now unable to find amongst all the anti-vape misinformation and data that focuses only on how many vape and doesn't show the age distribution.

Anyways, here's some myths debunked by probably the most reliable and unbiased expert group to weigh in on vapes, the NHS.

This study reports about 20% of high school students using e cigarettes in 2020

That sounds ridiculously high. The highest I've seen for 2018 was 2.9%. There's no way it went from that to 20% in just two years.

[–] gigachad@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

That 90% is admittedly going by memory of statistical analysis that I'm now unable to find amongst all the anti-vape misinformation and data that focuses only on how many vape and doesn't show the age distribution.

I am not saying you are lying, I know it is impossible to memorize all studies you ever read. On the other hand this makes your 90% pretty useless, as it is not clear what is counted here. You mentioning anti-vape misinformtion seems to me like you could be a bit biased, defending vaping for whatever reason.

That sounds ridiculously high. The highest I've seen for 2018 was 2.9%. There's no way it went from that to 20% in just two years.

Ok but that is not how studies work. I am not from the US, but the affiliations of the study I linked seem to be pretty credible:

Office on Smoking and Health, National Center for Chronic Disease Prevention and Health Promotion, CDC; Center for Tobacco Products, Food and Drug Administration, Silver Spring, Maryland.

The "myths debunked" may be an interesting read, but it does not contribute anything useful to the discussion.

I don't want to fight and as a non-smoker I am absolutely open to get convinced by you if you can provide some substancial information. However downvoting me is not really a strong argument.

[–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 2 points 5 months ago

Ridiculously low depending on the country

[–] NaoPb@eviltoast.org -3 points 5 months ago

That's not what it's being used for 90% of the time. It is seen as a healthy alternative to smoking. Sadly, we cannot confirm if it's actually healthier since there have not been a lot of long term studies yet.