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[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (18 children)

I have to go run an errand soon but someone better have posted some commentary about the a16z anime blog post (as seen on the hell site) by the time I get back or I'll be sorely disappointed.

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 16 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Ok.

The usual lifecycle of an anime fan looks something like this: they are introduced to the format with great IP – the Attack on Titan anime or the One Piece live action show or one of the miHoYo games.

I don't know how things are in Japan, but I'll be damned if I ever meet someone who gateway series into anime was a live action adaptation of One Piece.

AI companions, an evolution of classic visual novels, are the most popular for anime characters and IP.

The most popular what for anime characters and IP?

Anime studios are adopting new AI technologies to create content faster and more cost effectively, but they are also iterating on new core loops with AI-native character interactions.

Some of them probably are. Screw them.

VTubing has transformed the way millions of anime fans interact with their favorite characters in new social and parasocial relationships by allowing any fan to roleplay as the characters themselves.

You can't just casually throw "social and parasocial" in there and then describe a purely parasocial relationship. Apologize to Shannon Strucci.

Also this is like saying television has allowed us to roleplay our favorite Radio announcers. They seem to be under the impression that the vtuber phenomenon is about people digitally cosplaying their favorite anime character together when it's more like an actor putting on a performance as an original character. And for the big ones, a bunch of Japanese style idol industry bullshit layered on top.

While audience inteeaction is usually a part of it, the nature of the medium remains highly asymmetric.

Ready to dive in? Let’s jam.

Keep Cowboy Bebop's name out of your filthy mouth.

Anime entered the mainstream in the 2000s with popular shounen anime like Naruto, One Piece, and now Attack on Titan.

I might be behind the times but even I don't think AoT is new. At least say Jujutsu Kaisen or something.

This affinity has led to one of the most popular use cases of AI recently – AI waifus and husbandos.

May all your subculture in-jokes die a dignified death before a VC firm references them in a blog post.

Waifu / husbando culture derives from visual novels, and AI companions are the logical extension of these animated storybook games.

"Mai waifu" was originally a funny engrish quote from Azumanga Daioh and was used to refer to any favorite character. The non tongue en cheek relationship simulation aspect merged with the meme later on.

Originally, visual novels were serialized books with anime-styled pictures in between.

This doesn't seem to be what the linked Medium article is saying and seems like they're just mixing up light novels and visual novels.

While there are many practical use cases for AI-simulated human interactions – AI as therapist, as teacher, as assistant, etc.

Practical, huh?

For instance, character.ai’s top characters are all from Genshin Impact; Raiden, Yae Miko, and Hu Tao take some of the top spots at 390M, 202M, and 113M messages respectively as of the time of this blog, compared to Elon Musk at a mere 40M messages.

To be fair I'd rather take almost anyone, gacha game character or not, other than Elon Musk as my conversation partner, whether simulated or real.

The majority of top anime games and visual novels are role playing games that feature a romance mechanic, and so it’s natural for fans to want to deepen their connection to their favorite IP and characters through active interactions.

Factually dubious claim aside, how hard is it to write "series" or at least "anime" like a real human being with feelings instead of "IP".

I've watched some anime series and felt things about them. I've never given a shit about an anime IP. Why would I, never owned one.

UGC Democratizes Creation for Anime Fans Anime is the new playground for content creation. Fans often engage with anime IP by creating their own versions of art, novels, and games, and innovation is happening across the stack.

Pixiv has existed for ages. Even before that was doujinshi, and people have made art, original and derivative, since before the beginning of civilization. Your idea of modding custom animu avatars for shovelware Love Plus sequels is not new.

There are a few notable reasons for the popularity of these games. The first is that there’s clear player demand against a shortage of high quality anime IP games; one example is Palworld’s recent success as the “Pokemon with guns” game, selling over 25M copies in a month across Steam and Xbox Game Pass.

Palworld is evidence of a lack of high quality anime games much like all nonblack nonravens are evidence of a lack of nonblack ravens.

The second reason is that the anime IP licensing landscape is notoriously difficult to navigate for developers, creating a potential undersupply of games.

It's actually incredibly easy to create and publish media based on anime and get away with it. You just can't do it too professionally. If you love democratizing art so much, go to Comiket.

Also there are tons of licensed games based on anime what the hell are you talking about?

Some startups like Kasagi Labo, Layer, and Story Protocol are tackling this issue to make IP more democratized and easier to access.

Misspelled "plutocratized" there. Also had a double take checking out the third one: "Story is the World’s IP Blockchain, onramping Programmable IP to power the next generation of AI, DeFi, and consumer applications."

Beyond UGC platforms, AI models and tools are enabling first-time creators to make compelling anime content that previously would only have been possible with a team of professionals.

I'm sure I will continue to be as thrilled as I have been up to now to see more art made by people who can't make art and filling the gap with statistical average of all art ever.

On the other side of the spectrum, professional game studios are leading the charge for high production-value consumer experiences that build on or create new IP. Anime games are some of the highest grossing in the games industry, accounting for 20% of spend on the mobile app store despite only having usage penetration of <3%.

Sounds great (not), but I heard someone say there was a lack of high quality anime IP games. Surely you can't both be right?

There are two ways that anime game studios broaden the horizon for players. First, they usually create the highest quality games of the most popular IPs like Dragon Ball, Pokemon, or Dragon Quest.

Consistency, what's that? Maybe invest in a bigger context window so you can remember what you generated a few paragraphs ago.

For now, we’ve been covering mostly free-to-play (F2P) mobile games. However, there are several successful PC/console anime games as well: Doki Doki Literature Club, the Persona series, the Final Fantasy series, the Fire Emblem series, and Phoenix Wright, just to name a few.

Doki Doki Literature Club is a fully original freeware pay-what-you-want indie game that became a viral sleeper hit. You're comparing it to Final fucking Fantasy? From a business perspective? Hell, despite the art style it's not even Japanese! The only connecting thread between these games is that they have vaguely anime style art in them.

Anime is also leading the way for digital play, turning previously passive consumption of linear media into a new dynamic form of entertainment.

It's really not.

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I knew I could count on awful.systems.

[–] zogwarg@awful.systems 14 points 2 months ago

SaaS = ~~Storage as a Service~~ Sneer as a Service

I agree that the Doki Doki Literature Club reference was out of place, but consider that the whole post is predicated on the assumption that anime is a radical new art form that is revolutionizing [$Product] while itself being revolutionized by the new technologies designed by a16z's stable of startups (the ones they haven't cashed out yet). DDLC is niche enough that the intended audience will feel clever if they know about it, but successful enough that there's a nonzero chance they'll have heard about it.

It also has the most anime title they could find.

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 5 points 2 months ago

I wish I had more updoots for this effortpost. Well done.

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