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“If somebody breaks into my house, they’re getting shot,” she said, laughing. “I probably should not have said that. My staff will deal with that later.”

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[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well the catch is everything can be broken down to some emotional response. Most would argue wanting to be alive to be somewhat objective.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's still the motivation for both sides. I'm not so much commenting on which one is right or wrong as pointing out that the logic won't be effective at changing minds because the exact same argument can justify either side.

There was more to the argument above but then it was weakened by "don't be ruled by fear, fear this other outcome instead". IMO, it would have been better worded as, "if you fear x, consider whether you should fear y more instead" (or something like that, I'm not the most eloquent).

The first version is not only contradictory but also full of contempt. There's an implied "what you're doing is stupid, but what I'm doing isn't", which is fine for people who already agree that the other option is stupid, but can put those who don't already agree on the defensive.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You are saying it makes no difference because the logic is the same for both sides, and km saying thats the point.

The real problem is that people do not evaluate guns appropriately, or themselves.

One half is regulation: "Do I think I'm a good gun owner? Of course!", kind of stuff is wrong, but also a very common comment. Its also the requirement for buying a gun. Like a company that creates its own certification, and then certifies itself as safe.

The other half is a lack of understanding of what owning a gun might mean for the owner, and for this in the house with them, and those in their community. There are situations a gun makes someone safer, but the rest of their family of higher risk, or vice versa. There are also situations where a gun is necessary.

But we don't honestly talk about this in America. Guns are always good here. Have a problem involving guns? Guns would have solved it for sure. Dont have a gun in your home? What, do you just want your family to get raped and murdered?

The lack of nuance is dizzying sometimes.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It was not my intent to say that, I agree with your overall point that it depends on the context and that in most cases a gun will make things more dangerous rather than more safe.

My point was that using logic that applies to both sides won't convince anyone who would want to apply it to the other side.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago

Yeah I'm not too sure theres much can be done verbally until people stop being their own judge for gun safety. Every argument is defeated soundly by declaring they follow all the right rules, whether they do or not, and I can't say anything about it because they are the exception. Everyone's the exception it seems.