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I remember growing up in the 90's and being acutely aware of the growing minimum wage. I knew no matter what that when I was able to get a job I would be guaranteed "this" amount and always thought about prices and how long I had to work to get something I wanted when I was an adult. Every small bump made it a little mini-celebration like I was getting a future raise that would allow me to have a better life.
Now? Shake and bake costs over 5$, I have to literally work over an hour to buy half a cup of "convenient" seasoned bread crumbs. I could buy the flour, make the bread, and process it to make my own... but now I'm out of time in the day to work enough to actually afford the meat or any other side item. Oh yeah, and at some point I should pay my bills and save for retirement -_-
Buy bread chop it up season and put in the oven at a low temp till it's as dry as you want
Way to miss the fucking point.. π
Cheaper than buying pre made and you don't have to make bread, 10 min of work
When they're so stupid you can just keep copy pasting your reply lmfao. This is rich. Unlike the rest of us.
At some point, it's best to just reply "you're an idiot" until they go away.
You're obviously lazy and willing to wast money on premade shit that is now expensive and terrible for your health
Shake N bake is flour and seasoning, make it yourself ffs
Dude, you keep missing the point. Instead of stubbornly arguing the same thing, maybe reread and spend some time thinking and trying to understand the conversation you're participating in so you don't look so foolish.
Oh I getbthe point, KD usednto be 25c a box now is $3
But that's what you get for "convenience"
Yeah, we understand you, stop repeating yourself and try to understand us.
How much did the min wage increase over that time period?
If you get the point you're just being a bad actor.
How about a maximum wage, minimum wages don't address the issue of income equality.
Y'all are just trying to climb the shit ladder hung in front of yall
It's ok. They stopped eating avocado toast. You can calm down now.
That's not my issue, bitching about a problem that is not the actual problem. Real issue is the top executives pay.
Why ya think Eron Musky and Bozos are against unions?
ok wait, your goal is income equality and you don't believe too low of a minimum wage is a problem but only maximum wage should be a focus? I'm just trying to understand this ideology. You seem to disfavor the rich in your comments, so you don't believe in wealth hording but you might believe their message of "pull yourself up by the bootstraps?" I can see it, just not understanding what you're getting at completely.
Too High of minimum wage with population increases exponentially increases inflation.
Targeting the root issue will fix the problem. Putting a bandaid on a bullet wound won't do fuck all.
No it is not an instant solution, nothing is unfortunately
I did hear a segment yesterday (I think npr) on the radio talking about the "Gold standard" which was used in the 18th century with a more stable system that I think you'd be interested in.
I can't condone or support your suggestion because I believe inflation has more contributing factors than just minimum wage hikes and population increases (such things as greed, climate change cost impacts, etc). Your statement might be valid if prices were regulated and investigated for the causes of any type of increase.
I also believe companies and owners will NOT provide adequate compensation for the work/profit being performed. A stable regulation system where companies are only able to "fee" out the cost of running the company (and slight profit %) but the rest is given to the worker for his productivity might pan out. But, at the moment, companies can and will only give the lowest amount they can get away with. If you lower that amount they will happily comply (look at how delivery drivers got screwed over with hourly wages being diminished).
Yep gold standard was good till Nixon fucked it all. France didn't want USD anymore and wanted to exchange it.
America ended up stealing from any country held USD when this happened and America profitied big time
Yes there are more factors but wages are directly tied. And when you have people at the top syphoning off the profits of 10-50 people that is where the real damage begins.
That person now is able to dodge taxes, move money to offshore accounts they go to different countries to buy yahats, properties, etc
Also, in Canada we have nationalized electricity production. We get lifers and after 30-40 years these people are doing less work and getting paid more and every year they get wage increases.
Also the more you make the less if an increase you need to survive off
How much has CEO wages increased over that time period?
Maximum wage over higher minimum's to address income inequality
Since 1978 CEO pay increased over 1000%, average workers 28%
Too low min wage is the problem... Right
You don't see a tie between the two?
Also curious why you replied twice with the same statement?
Another commenter here: the double reply thing was likely an app bugging on sending a reply.
Increasing minimum wages greatly increases inflation. Over paid CEO's exponentially increases inflation.
Addressing actual issues will solve problems.
Increasing minimum's will always end up hurting the poorest as when minimums go up so do the costs of everything.
Take a bike made in China vs a bike made in America. They will be about the same quality yet the American one WILL be 2x more because they are paying a lot more per worker.
Yes I know there are more nuances but in general how shot works. If you are no longer paying a CEO the wage of 10-50 workers that money can be now used to drive down the price of your products or pay your workers a proper wage
So now I'm out the cost of materials AND the time to make it AND the cost of running the oven. That's probably a net loss compared to just buying the breadcrumbs. And the breadcrumbs are still overpriced.
While i share your sentiment, you still missed the point.
You know, it's comments like this that make me laugh and realize how much of a privileged life someone has. Anyone saying, "Oh, it only takes 10 mins to make bread crumbs!", has never actually been required to make all of their food homemade. Let's take a journey and use a generic recipe.
ok so maybe 15 mins, preheat oven, getting it all ready, maybe like 30 mins but very relaxed. Lowest priced loaf of bread is $1.39 at a local grocer (it's a horrible brand that's more airpockets and made from the cheapest ingredients possible but it's still counts as bread).
Oh shit, now I need a food processor (cheapest is 40 on amazon and walmart), or I could stand at a blender for 2 hours doing one handfull at a time (if I have a blender). Wait, wasn't this only suppose to take 10 mins?
Ok let's just chop the bread by hand, now we're about an hour into the process after it cools and is chopped. But I wanted shake n' bake, so let's head over to this recipe.
Let's see here, Vegetable oil ($2.99), Salt ($0.79), Dried onion flakes ($2.19), Paprika ($1.29), Sugar ($3.19), Garlic powder ($1.29), Ground black Pepper ($2.29), Cayenne ($2.49), Parsley ($2.19), Basil ($2.59), Oregano ($2.49). (all cheapest prices listed from local grocer, nothing premium)
So now we're at over 25$ for the homemade shake and bake ingredients. 65$ if I want a food processor to keep this under an hour. Oh yeah, I hope I have foil, baking sheets, sanitary plastic bags to "shake" it, a long term storage container for the amount I'm making. I'm over $100 as a fresh person starting life to make bread crumbs. 2 hours between prep and time spent getting ingredients.... and I have bread crumbs, guess I'll start actually cooking the meal!
You can make excuses for people that already have some of the required items, but generically you can't make that statement unless they're privileged and have hand me downs or time to bargain shop for cheaper appliances. It all costs in the long run and with homemade you're paying with your time that no one has. The whole point of the shake and bake was a convenience for overworked families trying to continue to participate in society in a "healthy" way. If you can't afford "convenience" as a worker, then you're not getting paid enough.
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