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[–] jonhendry@iosdev.space 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

@sc_griffith

In Night Watch:
“Vimes/Keel tells Ned Coates not to put his trust in revolutions "They always come around again. That's why they're called revolutions. People die, and nothing changes" This is a common theme in Pratchett regarding authority figures”

That said Vimes does participate in a revolution of sorts in that book, as “John Keel”, in the past.

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

yeah that's the conservative spirit right there

[–] jonhendry@awful.systems 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Books would be really boring if the protagonists were all just the author speaking as themself but using various funny voices.

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

there's not a lot of ambiguity in what the novels are getting at, so no offense but this line of argument is not worth engaging directly. but I will point out that I didn't say what pratchett's views were. part of why people don't look askance at these books is that his other work is at odds with the realpolitik message I'm pointing out. I can't and I don't draw conclusions about his 'real' views based on the vimes novels

[–] jonhendry@iosdev.space 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

@sc_griffith

The novels may be trying to say something, but how it plays out still needs to make sense in the world of the novel and be coherent with the characters as depicted.

Vimes is basically a stereotypical jaded and cynical old-timer who has ideas about how things could be better, but has seen enough to know that the powerful would never allow it.

Incremental improvements are made but larger changes are difficult except sometimes in places that are even worse than Ankh-Morpork.

[–] jonhendry@iosdev.space 2 points 1 month ago

@sc_griffith

It's kind of like all the people who are aware of what's likely needed to prevent climate change disaster, but are also aware that they don't have the power to make it happen and that the forces of inertia and corruption are powerful enough to block or roll back anything remotely significant.