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Interesting..... Look forward to seeing how it goes. Hope the gender pay gap does collapse but I'd say we are still a generation of workers away from that being a reality.
Knowing what your coworkers are getting paid lets you know how much you can reasonably ask for.
And knowing what folks at the job down the street make means you can quickly determine whether its worth the trouble to find a new job.
Also probably doesn't hurt to know what the folks upstairs are making when you're deciding whether to form a union.
What if it enables price-fixing for the companies?
Companies already share wage data between one another privately.
https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2015/01/16/377614477/tech-giants-will-pay-415-million-to-settle-employees-lawsuit
Apple, Google, Intel and Adobe have agreed to pay $415 million to settle a lawsuit that alleges they secretly conspired in their employee hiring practices, NPR's Aarti Shahani reports.
Plaintiffs say the companies set and limited employee salaries and agreed not to poach one another's workers
Great, now the sharing of necessary data is not just legal but required
He who has the data, makes the rules
I don't know. What if?
Gender pay gap uncorrected for working hours, position, ...? Or the corrected one?
You do know that the gender pay gap in the same position with the same experience essentially doesn't exist in Europe?
Coincidentally, publishing salary ranges isn't gonna help with the gender pay gap.
So, if you actually care about the issue, maybe go educate yourself first.
First hand knowledge says this is far from true.
Your first-hand knowledge is worth nothing against the data.
Tax reports and social security data has been thoroughly analyzed by multiple countries.
In fact, it's often that women outearn men.
There's a very interesting factor that eventually does lead to an astounding pay gap, but lemme see how many more anecdotal evidence you can pull out of your ass before I tell you what literature to look at.
;( but, daaad, he started first!
(not really, ik)
I think everyone is arguing different points here. The first comment spoke about the gender pay gap, which is not restricted to same job/same experience. It also considers that positions that are typically filled by women (care, nursing, teaching, etc) are systematically underpaid, which is also a perfectly valid way to define a gender wage gap.
But for some reason you responded by singling out the same job/same experience data, then told the first guy to educate himself.
Everyone here is saying the gender wage gap very much exists in general in Europe, and you're singling out one smaller data point where it doesn't.
No, that person specifically implied that once they start publishing salary ranges the gender pay gap will collapse.
That person lives in a fairy tale world of non-existent salary discrimination that they furiously fight.
Their heart is sorta in the right place, but they're essentially a useless idiot, who with their crusade distracts everyone from actually trying to understand the real reasons behind the unadjusted gender pay gap and any efforts of solving it.
Gender gap dosen't exists, if exists is women who ear more, sure.
Hi. I banned you for 3 days to cool off. You had a warning and you were rude again & missed the point too.
I wish I had your confidence. You pull the "data doesn't prove it" move and then won't even do the bare minimum to verify if you're talking out of your ass. Based on 2022 data men on average earned 12% more. It didn't even take me a minute to find this data. One Google search and you would've instantly known that you're wrong, but you're so confident in you being right you don't even need to check if you're wrong.
What your message shows is that even when the data is in front of you, it's useless, because all you can see is your confirmation bias.
It specifically says "unadjusted".
You understand nothing on the subject and continue your crusade for some holy grail, because you believe it will bring prosperity to your entire nation or something. All this shows is that your average left voter is as dumb as your average far right voter.
There's a decade of research consistently showing that the most impactful factor contributing to the unadjusted gender pay gap is childbirth.
Single childess women with college degrees earn as much or slightly outearn their male competition.
These trajectories spectacularly diverge after the first child.
If you care about the unadjusted pay gap, you need to promote societal change that 1) enables and encourages men to take on childcare duties, 2) significantly improve daycare infrastructure, 3) realize that some couples will still decide that it's somehow better for the mother to spend time at home with the kids and take on less demanding jobs and/or lose many years of experience, and that this unadjusted pay gap in some capacity is here to stay for another century or so, and it's not a societal failure.
My evidence? A decade of research. 134 countries. https://www.henrikkleven.com/uploads/3/7/3/1/37310663/child_penalty_atlas_june2024.pdf
You can look at more of his papers on the subject.
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But hey, you can Google, anon, right?
I'm not sure what you were trying to accomplish but all I'm seeing is you agreeing that there is a wage gap. You argument was "itβs often that women outearn men." Which you've now clarified that post marriage and post child they clearly do not. So before marriage or before a child they should, where's the data? The "useless" unadjusted data shows a smaller wage gap in younger employees (who are much less likely to be married or have children) but there's still a wage gap in many EU countries.
Can you link the data to review?
Genuinely would like to see it.
You want the figure 5B from here:
https://www.henrikkleven.com/uploads/3/7/3/1/37310663/kleven-landais-sogaard_aej-applied_sep2018.pdf
The rest of the paper actually focuses on the real reasons behind the pay gap, which should also give you a perspective of why it's probably futile to argue in terms of "a woman makes 78 cents for every dollar a man makes".
But if you really wanna dig deeper there are some studies that try to figure out the remaining 3% or whatever.
And here's my horse in this race: https://www.henrikkleven.com/uploads/3/7/3/1/37310663/child_penalty_atlas_june2024.pdf