Hi all, I'm one of the mods that apparently caused lemmy.world to melt down for two weeks. It's a lovely sunny Sunday arvo, and I'd much rather go catch the last rays of sun in my garden than write about mod drama. Alas, I must have sinned in a past life.
Today the lemmy.world admins made a follow up post about the incident where the admin Rooki interfered with moderation of this community in a way which was determined to be against lemmy.world TOS and factually incorrect. Throughout this incident there has been no communication with me, nor to my knowledge any of of the other moderators of this community. Rooki quitely undid his actions and edited his post to admit fault however there was no public acknowledgement of this from him. In fact I wasn't even told I was reinstated as a mod which is quite funny.
The lemmy.world admins' response appears more focused on managing their own reputations and justifying similar actions in the future than providing a good environment for vegans, and other similarly maligned groups. Their statements about wanting to handle misinformation and overreach better in the future ring a bit hollow when they won't take actions to address the anti-vegan circlejerks under their update posts which abound with misinformation and disinformation.
The legalese written basically allows for the same thing to happen, and that if it does the admin decision is to stand while moderators have to quietly resolve the conflict at the admins' leisure. Presumably with a similarly weak public apology and barely visible record correction after the fact.
This community already has a fairly high moderation burden, with many users coming here in bad faith and getting outraged when they are told to take it elsewhere.
I have spoken with /u/neurospice@lemmy.dbzer0.com and /u/Beaver@lemmy.ca and we are of the opinion that given the lack of assurance that admins with an axe to grind wont interfere in the future this is no longer a space we are interested in moderating and can't in good faith recommend as a place to host a vegan community. Instead we would recommend that users come to !vegan@vegantheoryclub.org (note, not federated with .world, make a local account), additionally !vegan@lemmy.ml, !vegan@slrpnk.net, and !vegan@hexbear.net are well moderated and run.
Mods are just glorified internet janitors though, so if any current mods or users want to take over the responsibility of primary management from /u/neurospice@lemmy.dbzer0.com they are welcome to do so and should get in touch. Otherwise I think the consensus is to close this community for now.
Finally I'd just like to express gratitude for the great effort put in by the users here. In particular /u/Rose@lemmy.world you are a bloody champion for trying to get a better outcome here, we all appreciate it immensely.
Creating a new community over at !vegan@vegantheoryclub.org and !vegan@slrpnk.net seems good however I would like to make recommendations against lemmy.ml and hexbear.net as they are known to host tankies and are heavily biased against anti-CCP and Russian(Putin) dissidents.
May I perhaps suggest mander.xyz and or sopuli.xyz as better alternatives?
dbzero is federates with both. They're honestly not bad. I think there's a bit of a moral panic around them because usaians aren't used to seeing anti-usa opinions be mainstream.
The one thread I saw on hexbear about Russia for example was people lamenting how horrible it is for lgbt people there. Expressing frustration and anger at Putin's regime, and expressing frustration at the role usa policy has played in his rise and the reactionary political culture there.
you might disagree with the degree to which the usa government is responsible but that hardly seems like a community where dissent against Putin is crushed.
Idk, at any rate the vegan communities are awesome. Mander is a good instance with good users, although I think it's natural science focused and unsure if it's appropriate for a vegan community. Dunno about the other.
That’s a great tip, those instances are absolutely biased against Western propaganda that has verifiably been proven false hundreds of times over.
However, valid criticisms of Putin’s authoritarian regime and the failures of China are absolutely up for discussion in the appropriate communities and near-universally recognized as valid by those instances.
The better question is, why are you attempting to spread blatant CIA propaganda? What even is a “tankie”? Someone that recognizes violence is necessary to end fascism?
I guess you’d consider the Allies in WW2 as “tankies” as well? Or NATO, right? Surely liberal logic is consistent and not at all a warped parroting of decades of American propaganda that is, again, easily proven to be demonstrably and objectively false?