Hi all, I'm one of the mods that apparently caused lemmy.world to melt down for two weeks. It's a lovely sunny Sunday arvo, and I'd much rather go catch the last rays of sun in my garden than write about mod drama. Alas, I must have sinned in a past life.
Today the lemmy.world admins made a follow up post about the incident where the admin Rooki interfered with moderation of this community in a way which was determined to be against lemmy.world TOS and factually incorrect. Throughout this incident there has been no communication with me, nor to my knowledge any of of the other moderators of this community. Rooki quitely undid his actions and edited his post to admit fault however there was no public acknowledgement of this from him. In fact I wasn't even told I was reinstated as a mod which is quite funny.
The lemmy.world admins' response appears more focused on managing their own reputations and justifying similar actions in the future than providing a good environment for vegans, and other similarly maligned groups. Their statements about wanting to handle misinformation and overreach better in the future ring a bit hollow when they won't take actions to address the anti-vegan circlejerks under their update posts which abound with misinformation and disinformation.
The legalese written basically allows for the same thing to happen, and that if it does the admin decision is to stand while moderators have to quietly resolve the conflict at the admins' leisure. Presumably with a similarly weak public apology and barely visible record correction after the fact.
This community already has a fairly high moderation burden, with many users coming here in bad faith and getting outraged when they are told to take it elsewhere.
I have spoken with /u/neurospice@lemmy.dbzer0.com and /u/Beaver@lemmy.ca and we are of the opinion that given the lack of assurance that admins with an axe to grind wont interfere in the future this is no longer a space we are interested in moderating and can't in good faith recommend as a place to host a vegan community. Instead we would recommend that users come to !vegan@vegantheoryclub.org (note, not federated with .world, make a local account), additionally !vegan@lemmy.ml, !vegan@slrpnk.net, and !vegan@hexbear.net are well moderated and run.
Mods are just glorified internet janitors though, so if any current mods or users want to take over the responsibility of primary management from /u/neurospice@lemmy.dbzer0.com they are welcome to do so and should get in touch. Otherwise I think the consensus is to close this community for now.
Finally I'd just like to express gratitude for the great effort put in by the users here. In particular /u/Rose@lemmy.world you are a bloody champion for trying to get a better outcome here, we all appreciate it immensely.
Lol lemmy.world is a u/spez run reddit wannabe, apparently. There doesn't seem to be much real integrity there.
I feel like most of the mods on c/vegan understand that, which is why their accounts are with other instances.
However, going to hexbear and .ml are probably mistakes. That's a step down from .world, there are better instances out there. Hint hint.
vegantheoryclub.org is vegan run.
Also personally I've had issues with precisely one user on hexbear (the one who accused me of being db0 in disguise lol) and none from ml. I don't always agree politically, but that's true for every lemmy instance.
Tbh I have difficulty understanding the drama around them. Hexbear in particular is fantastic for vegans (vtc aside) as their COC specifically requires certain vegan-forward stances, which they recognise as part of a liberation struggle.
Hexbear is fine until you openly disagree with them. When you do that you get banned for vexatious reasons.
Hexbear is also an oxymoron in itself, supporting Putin's Russia while also claiming to support LGBTQ+ rights. Frankly, it's a bit of a honeypot.
lemm.ee is lovely, meanwhile :D Federated with almost everyone, no bullshit, and an admin developer who knows his stuff and supported other instance admins when the shit hit their fans (meanwhile his instance was already immune).
Also, Estonia gained its liberation from the Soviet Union literally by singing.
omg. if anyone had any idea what my pre-account-creation exchange with db0 was about, and how you and I have subsequently interacted...
I try to stay out of explicitly vegan spaces, which I think was part of what I promised them when I was granted and account, but it is hilarious to think that you are db0.
Yeah, I'm way too cool.
you know this might be my last chance to ban you and I'm kinda tempted to. Just one act of pure mod abuse, just for myself. as a treat.
exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation ... and cruelty
I am hoist on mine own petard.
So happy .world had serious tech issues sometime after the exodus. I had my first account there, it was a bit of pain to move as I used it for a little, but totally worth it in the long run it seems
They did, and then the lemm.ee dev came to their rescue to tell them how they should have set things up (like he did) :D
And these days it's trivially easy to move accounts between instances.
It is these days. A year ago I had to subscribe to everything manually again.