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[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 68 points 2 months ago (5 children)

That's just a fact. The whole US political system should be scrapped and re-developed to make it a democracy.

[–] Beaver@lemmy.ca 62 points 2 months ago (3 children)

You can fix the american democracy by upgrading it ranked choice voting, abolishing the electoral college, ending citizens united, giving all prisoners the right to vote, reforming the supreme court, make Washington DC and Puerto Rico states.

[–] YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 27 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Eliminating the senate, massively increasing the size of the house, making registration automatic, executing anyone caught disenfranchising voters, etc

[–] Hegar@fedia.io 25 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Eliminating the Senate might seem like a good way to reduce the outsized influence that voters in smaller states wield, but the Senate helps keep those states in the union.

Also, the death penalty should be eliminated, not expanded.

We obviously need to address the fact that our government doesn't represent the country, but drastically increasing the ability of larger states to ride roughshod over the interests of smaller states is not a recipe for stability.

[–] Fuckfuckmyfuckingass@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Death penalty only for white collar crime?

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

The absolutists are wild... Some people absolutely deserve to never have influence over someone else ever again. There are only so many ways to actually accomplish that...

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

Don’t kill. Killing is wrong. No, seriously, it is so so bad. Don’t even think about it, because if you kill, we will kill you right back buster!

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

the Senate helps keep those states in the union.

Oh, so we need the Senate to keep such valuable states as Alabama, Mississippi and Florida in the union?

This is like arguing the need for the Senate filibuster, because of how important it was to such orators as Strom Thurmond and Richard Russell.

I'm fine keeping the Senate on the condition that if you suppress voting for a senator, he can't be seated.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

the Senate helps keep those states in the union.

In that case California should secede; we'll be better represented that way.

[–] YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 1 points 2 months ago

The death penalty thing was said tongue in cheek. And we already settled the whole can you leave the union thing a little while back.

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

... Introducing proportional representation and majority elected president, enfranchising all people, ending politically appointed judiciary, making intentional lies with the intention to mislead the public a criminal offence...

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Nah, don't tie provable intent to it. Just knowingly lie should be enough. If it's not under national secrets or some other thing, lying SHOULD be illegal out of representatives. Always.

They can always say, "no comment" if they feel the urge to lie.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Eliminating the Senate is not a good idea. Maybe just fix it by populating it in proportion to the states citizens?

And do yourself a favor and finally abolish the death penalty. It does not become to a civilized country.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Have a look at the German system. They are also bicameral. Their primary house, the Bundestag, is like the US Congress. The secondary house, the Bundesrat, is representing the 16 German states. The votes the representatives there cast are bound to decisions of their State governments. So the state government decides yes or no on a question, and all representatives of that state are bound to that decision of their state.

This way, the first chamber represents the overall interests if the people on a federal level, while the secondary chamber represets state interests.

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago

Yeah, I don't think the state governments in the deep south represent any of the interests of the citizens of the south, anymore than Vladimir Putin and his oligarchs represent the interests of the citizens of Russia.

The deep south are just failed states we've let limp on since we lost the stomach for reconstruction and left them in the 19th century.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

I thought PR just hasn't gotten 51% in favor of statehood?

[–] drapeaunoir@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

you can't fix the foundation of blood and suffering that the house was built on top of

[–] Forester@yiffit.net 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Show me one government not built on a pile of bodies

[–] drapeaunoir@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I can't! :) all governments are fucking evil and must be destroyed

[–] Forester@yiffit.net 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And thus begins the new pile of bodies

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago

No, but you don't understand, this time it will be justice because of we're killing the bad ones, well, and anyone who disagrees, that's different!

[–] jared@mander.xyz 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It would be so cool to be a part of a true democracy.

[–] suction@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

You guys (Americans) need to stop with the personality cults. It was cute and funny when it was sports stars and actors, but it slipped down the slope when it’s dangerous malignant narcissists like Trump and Musk. The attitude is the same, though, stop glorifying other people so much, whether it’s on the left or right. No amount of democracy will fix that loophole for populists.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

Remember that you enter a revolution with the culture you've got, not the culture you want. Think on that very carefully before you roll those dice.

[–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I seriously think that all constitutions should have expiry dates.

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago

Do you have any idea how many rich and powerful people would dream of such power vacuums to take advantage of?

This comment reads like it was written by the Koch foundation.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

And exactly how peaceful do you think the scrapping of the entire system will be? Will you sign up for the inevitable fight? Or do you just like talking big?

Anyone with a brain understands that would only bring further pain and death.

/u/beaver gets what you don’t: https://lemmy.ca/comment/11298416