It leads to an even bigger echo chamber, people with unpopular opinions will get ostracized not just for their comments, but even for their voting. There's a reason why any real democracy has secret votes.

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Comparing to democracy doesn't make sense, as democracy has mechanisms to ensure 1 person = 1 vote. The internet has no such mechanism. If we did, I'd be all for private voting.

people with unpopular opinions will get ostracized not just for their comments, but even for their voting

Sounds like those people doing the ostracizing should get moderated if they can't handle being downvoted. Besides, if a dickhead wants to see the votes today, they can find them - votes are public, Lemmy just doesn't display them in the UI.

[–] amju_wolf@pawb.social 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Comparing to democracy doesn’t make sense, as democracy has mechanisms to ensure 1 person = 1 vote. The internet has no such mechanism. If we did, I’d be all for private voting.

I know, it's an issue, but there are certainly ways to solve it, like having the vote identity split between multiple servers that can still confirm with each other that the vote is valid, but neither would reveal the actual identity to make it traceable back.

Sounds like those people doing the ostracizing should get moderated if they can’t handle being downvoted.

That's unfortunately not how it often works. Small, ostracized and vulnerable groups often get taken advantage of. As an example, imagine I want to make a good faight argument around, say, a political topic like Russia. Or a sensitive topic like paedophilia. Or about abortion or trans rights in a religious subreddit. Chances are I'd get downvoted to oblivion, even if the consensus (at least originally on Reddit) was that downvotes should not be used to simply disagree with someone. But at least I "opt into" that, by putting myself out there, knowing that the comment will be attached to my name.

But that's not really the standard with votes, and them being public has a chilling effect, makes it easy to harass people just for (dis)agreeing with something, etc. We should find a way to make votes more private, not less.

Besides, if a dickhead wants to see the votes today, they can find them - votes are public, Lemmy just doesn’t display them in the UI.

Yes, the votes are already kinda public, but there's still at least some barrier to it, and most people either don't know or care enough.

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

there are certainly ways to solve it, like having the vote identity split between multiple servers that can still confirm with each other that the vote is valid, but neither would reveal the actual identity to make it traceable back.

This doesn't solve it. I can still just make multiple accounts and vote multiple times.

The only way to solve it would be to actually verify that each account is associated with 1 real life person and then verify that each person only votes once on each post. But that requires essentially verifying a passport and documents for each user which is totally infeasible and has far worse privacy concerns than public votes do.

[–] amju_wolf@pawb.social 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This doesn’t solve it. I can still just make multiple accounts and vote multiple times.

I mean yeah, but you could already do that now. The point is to not make it worse, and to not allow malicious instances to vote as if they were other people.

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 1 points 4 months ago

I mean yeah, but you could already do that now

Yes, but because the votes are not private, I can be found out by correlating votes. Like if I made another account and just used it to always upvote everything my first account posts, that would be pretty obvious. If votes are private, there is no way to find out such conduct.

[–] index@sh.itjust.works -1 points 4 months ago

Vote in good faith and if someone attacks you they will be on the wrong side

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee -4 points 4 months ago

Enabling retaliation disincentivizes personal attacks